The information is readily accessible. The NRA trophies, and who won them are all online and are in .pdf format. http://www.nrahq.org/compete/natl-trophy-index.asp

The current national records are available at: http://www.nrahq.org/compete/natl_records.asp

The issue about the rule change has had very little effect where the elite shooters are concerned. They shot “cleans” before, and they shoot “cleans”, now.

SGT Gallagher and Bernosky only dropped points in the standing position. That they dropped 4 and 5 points, respectively, over 60 shots is astounding.

By way of comparison, the winner of the Erdman Trophy (standing aggregate) in 2003 was Norm Houle, with a 592-23x. This means that David dropped AT LEAST 8 points in the three standing matches. He dropped 1 in rapids, and the other 2 at the 600.

This speaks to conditions. The conditions this year were obviously very conducive to these level scores. Two shooters (Sherri and Carl) cleaned the 600, and three (Sherri, Carl, and Dave) cleaned the rapids. And at Camp Perry, when mild conditions show up, records are usually broken.

I think, finally, that people should just recognize that two extraordinary shooters combined performance, good equipment, and took advantage of mild conditions to put up two crazy scores.

Emil

Sorry to confuse you and thanks for the information on the rapid fire.

The issue is the rules have changed. With the rule change there will always be the question of: Are we comparing apples to apples? Or apples to oranges?

You evidently have access to records that the general public does not. If it was not for this exchange, there would still be a question in my mind about if the rule change affected the record.

From the comments I have heard, there are others that are asking are we comparing apples to apples?

It looks like in this case the disservice is to Sheri and Carl.

FYI, when David won in ’03, setting the record of a 2389-138x, he shot a 1199-82X in the McCann Trophy.

The McCann is an aggregate of all the rapid fire matches.

I don’t really see your point. Had Sherri and Carl each dropped a point in the rapids, they still would have smashed Tubb’s record.

Additionally, neither of the NRA rapid fire records (200RF or 300RF) have been broken and were set under the “old” conditions.

Are you upset that David’s record was broken, or are you upset that shooters no longer stand for rapid fire? Your comments are a bit confusing.

When David Tubb set the record in 2003, the competitors were required to stand for the rapid fire stages. Now the competitors stay in position. This has made the rapid fire stages easier. The new rule allows the competitors to better refine their positions before firing and allows extra time to shoot the string.

The NRA should have started new records when they made the course of fire easier. They are doing a disservice to the individuals that set records under tougher requirements.

I feel sorry for Carl, though, can you imagine dropping only 5 nines in 240 shots and losing?