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	<title>Comments on: .308 Win vs. .30-06 &#8212; Match Results May Surprise You</title>
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		<title>By: Brian Mumford</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Mumford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2021 23:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure I&#039;m pointing out the obvious to many handloaders out there, but I&#039;ve noticed that all too often manufacturers do not load certain calibers to their full potential for certain tasks. For example, save for some smaller companies like Underwood, the bigger companies no longer load .357 Magnum self protection cartridges in terms of energy as warm as their 10mm offerings. Like .30-06 Springfield over the .308 Winchester, the .357 Magnum has the potential for more energy than a 10mm, so why are these companies minimizing the former&#039;s potential? In my opinion it was and still is about selling more 10mm firearms which have not caught up to .357 Magnum sales historically (though that may be changing). 

Handloaders, however, being able to load exactly what they want have thus discovered that a lot of the claims comparing various calibers are often untrue in their experience. As it pertains to .308 vs. .30-06, the latter had been a staple for decades and never needed replacing in the hunting world, so opinions were skewed in my opinion to show favor to the .308 for many years. Now we&#039;re seeing similar bias starting to emerge favoring 6.5 Creedmoor in hunting situations after the .308 market became saturated for some time. For example, the Canadian Arctic Rangers adopted a Tikka chambered in .308 for polar bear protection back in 2014 (https://www.guns.com/news/2015/06/26/canadian-arctic-rangers-get-new-rifle-for-polar-bear-defense). Years later, Tikka only offers one other caliber for this purpose— the 6.5 Creedmoor (https://choose.tikka.fi/global/tikka/t3x-arctic). Now I am the first person to admit that a .30-06, .270 and even a 308 is all you need for hunting brown bear (just check the Alaska Game and Fish website where they make the same claim: http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.firearms), but the lighter 6.5 Creedmoor bullets seem like a stretch if a rifle company marketing a bolt-action rifle for polar bear work limits their offerings to only two calibers. I understand that polar bear protection is different than grizzly bear hunting, for example, where and exit wound is helpful to ensure a blood trail, but it still seems a little odd to me that the 6.5 Creedmoor should appear as one of only two calibers meant for this use. Anyway, that&#039;s just my opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m pointing out the obvious to many handloaders out there, but I&#8217;ve noticed that all too often manufacturers do not load certain calibers to their full potential for certain tasks. For example, save for some smaller companies like Underwood, the bigger companies no longer load .357 Magnum self protection cartridges in terms of energy as warm as their 10mm offerings. Like .30-06 Springfield over the .308 Winchester, the .357 Magnum has the potential for more energy than a 10mm, so why are these companies minimizing the former&#8217;s potential? In my opinion it was and still is about selling more 10mm firearms which have not caught up to .357 Magnum sales historically (though that may be changing). </p>
<p>Handloaders, however, being able to load exactly what they want have thus discovered that a lot of the claims comparing various calibers are often untrue in their experience. As it pertains to .308 vs. .30-06, the latter had been a staple for decades and never needed replacing in the hunting world, so opinions were skewed in my opinion to show favor to the .308 for many years. Now we&#8217;re seeing similar bias starting to emerge favoring 6.5 Creedmoor in hunting situations after the .308 market became saturated for some time. For example, the Canadian Arctic Rangers adopted a Tikka chambered in .308 for polar bear protection back in 2014 (<a href="https://www.guns.com/news/2015/06/26/canadian-arctic-rangers-get-new-rifle-for-polar-bear-defense" rel="nofollow">https://www.guns.com/news/2015/06/26/canadian-arctic-rangers-get-new-rifle-for-polar-bear-defense</a>). Years later, Tikka only offers one other caliber for this purpose— the 6.5 Creedmoor (<a href="https://choose.tikka.fi/global/tikka/t3x-arctic" rel="nofollow">https://choose.tikka.fi/global/tikka/t3x-arctic</a>). Now I am the first person to admit that a .30-06, .270 and even a 308 is all you need for hunting brown bear (just check the Alaska Game and Fish website where they make the same claim: <a href="http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.firearms" rel="nofollow">http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.firearms</a>), but the lighter 6.5 Creedmoor bullets seem like a stretch if a rifle company marketing a bolt-action rifle for polar bear work limits their offerings to only two calibers. I understand that polar bear protection is different than grizzly bear hunting, for example, where and exit wound is helpful to ensure a blood trail, but it still seems a little odd to me that the 6.5 Creedmoor should appear as one of only two calibers meant for this use. Anyway, that&#8217;s just my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: GUSTAV OLAV LUNDBY</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GUSTAV OLAV LUNDBY]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m currently more on .338wm and .338lm but have been loading 3006 for hunting using bullets up to 220gr. It is no doubt that the larger case gives more opportunities for the home reloader to get longer bullets with higher BC out at higher V0. This is the same differences that you see about .338WM versus .338LM]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently more on .338wm and .338lm but have been loading 3006 for hunting using bullets up to 220gr. It is no doubt that the larger case gives more opportunities for the home reloader to get longer bullets with higher BC out at higher V0. This is the same differences that you see about .338WM versus .338LM</p>
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		<title>By: E.C. Mabe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E.C. Mabe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2018 03:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Vangordan,

Since you are calling Mr. German&#039;s work into contest, I suggest it is upon you to produce the statistics that bear out your objections!  I don&#039;t see any data from you here.  Don&#039;t get me wrong, I welcome your data and will treat you with as much respect as I think you owe Mr. German.  I simply will not see others disrespected because someone thinks their results are cooked, without proof!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Vangordan,</p>
<p>Since you are calling Mr. German&#8217;s work into contest, I suggest it is upon you to produce the statistics that bear out your objections!  I don&#8217;t see any data from you here.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I welcome your data and will treat you with as much respect as I think you owe Mr. German.  I simply will not see others disrespected because someone thinks their results are cooked, without proof!</p>
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		<title>By: Wilford Vangordan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wilford Vangordan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2018 09:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From looking at the results.  It would appear that he decided which caliber he wanted to win that range and fired fewer rounds than the other caliber.  I am willing to bet that he looked at the scores at a certain point and found a minuscule difference.  So he fired more rounds through the caliber he had already decided was the loser before he even fired one shot.   The only true comparison would be the same number of rounds for each caliber at each range.   At mid range he fired more than twice as many 30-06 as .308 rounds.  At long range the difference was not so great, but still enough to skew the results any way he may wish to make it move.  

Lets see a test where the same number of rounds are fired from each at these ranges, by more than one shooter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From looking at the results.  It would appear that he decided which caliber he wanted to win that range and fired fewer rounds than the other caliber.  I am willing to bet that he looked at the scores at a certain point and found a minuscule difference.  So he fired more rounds through the caliber he had already decided was the loser before he even fired one shot.   The only true comparison would be the same number of rounds for each caliber at each range.   At mid range he fired more than twice as many 30-06 as .308 rounds.  At long range the difference was not so great, but still enough to skew the results any way he may wish to make it move.  </p>
<p>Lets see a test where the same number of rounds are fired from each at these ranges, by more than one shooter.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Johns</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Johns]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2017 15:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like both and see little reason for picking one over the other. The 308 short action and 3006 long action with a half century between them...times change. Though it is much like my SB Chevy vs my SB Ford debate. Chevy in 1955 and Ford in the early 60&#039;s. As a retired gunsmith/PD armorer many newer guys forget the old 06 is loaded for older guns. Hand loads can achieve much higher velocities SAFELY! Just do not put them in Gramps&#039; old wall hanger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like both and see little reason for picking one over the other. The 308 short action and 3006 long action with a half century between them&#8230;times change. Though it is much like my SB Chevy vs my SB Ford debate. Chevy in 1955 and Ford in the early 60&#8217;s. As a retired gunsmith/PD armorer many newer guys forget the old 06 is loaded for older guns. Hand loads can achieve much higher velocities SAFELY! Just do not put them in Gramps&#8217; old wall hanger.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2016 06:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have just bought a Remington 700 Long Range in 30-06. This rifle comes standard with the Bell &amp; Carlson medalist aluminum block stock. I have had the stock in letter to accept a 28&quot; heavy barrel with a 1:11 twist rate. I have had the action and bolt blue printed too. I am shooting 47 grains of H4895 under a 168 grain SMK HPBT, all cases are HXP and are necked turned to 13 thousandths. I am getting sub half inch groups at 100 yrds. I am able to maintain this also at 300. I am very satisfied with this rifle and]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just bought a Remington 700 Long Range in 30-06. This rifle comes standard with the Bell &amp; Carlson medalist aluminum block stock. I have had the stock in letter to accept a 28&#8243; heavy barrel with a 1:11 twist rate. I have had the action and bolt blue printed too. I am shooting 47 grains of H4895 under a 168 grain SMK HPBT, all cases are HXP and are necked turned to 13 thousandths. I am getting sub half inch groups at 100 yrds. I am able to maintain this also at 300. I am very satisfied with this rifle and</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr Wolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chip, .3 at mid range is considered small but .4 at to 1000 yards is considered a good difference because we are talking 1000 yards]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chip, .3 at mid range is considered small but .4 at to 1000 yards is considered a good difference because we are talking 1000 yards</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry Ellis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2015 20:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have always been curious about how these two great rounds compare.  Thanks for a very helpful review.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have always been curious about how these two great rounds compare.  Thanks for a very helpful review.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2015 17:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The edge the .308 displayed at mid range .3 was described as small the difference between the two at 1000 was .4 and this this is superior?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The edge the .308 displayed at mid range .3 was described as small the difference between the two at 1000 was .4 and this this is superior?</p>
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		<title>By: Noel O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Noel O'Connor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2015 15:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[im just reading the comparisons between the 30-06 and .308 and concluded that either is a fine round for most deer but was wondering does either caliber work in short barrel of maybe 20&quot; inches or so]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im just reading the comparisons between the 30-06 and .308 and concluded that either is a fine round for most deer but was wondering does either caliber work in short barrel of maybe 20&#8243; inches or so</p>
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