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	<title>Comments on: Gary Eliseo Runs &#8216;Mad Minute&#8217; Drill with Modern Tubegun</title>
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		<title>By: Marine Guards</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marine Guards]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2013 00:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;that came from long days of live firing at full distances – far more practice than I’ll warrant US doughboys got at that time&quot;

This is untrue and rather poor research. 
http://www.bobrohrer.com/sea_stories/krag_rifle_qualification_course_1902-1903.pdf

The US 200-300 bull was 8-10 inches up through WW1 and WW2. The 600yd slow fire also included a rapid fire for accuracy, during which 5rds were fired in 30sec emphasizing total accuracy, not an irrational expenditure of ammunition. 

Further research reveals that there was also a 800, and a 1,000yd line on bullseyes that were noticeably smaller than those used today by the NRA. 

The XTC course literally has roots in the early US Army and USMC rifle qual courses. 

Why Gary and Laurie Holland weren&#039;t aware of this is pretty disappointing. 
They also exaggerate the amount of practice that the &quot;Tommies&quot; received in this period. Once WW1 had broken out everyone from Lord Kitchener could notice the lack of emphasis on marksmanship.....which entirely contrasts with the American mentality of the period and Pershing&#039;s instistance that everyone be able to nail a Hun at 600yds. 

What no one likes to bring up is that the Germans at Mons WERE being shot at by machine guns and on top of that artillery. The BEF then went on full retreat for 2 non stop weeks, totaling 260 miles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;that came from long days of live firing at full distances – far more practice than I’ll warrant US doughboys got at that time&#8221;</p>
<p>This is untrue and rather poor research.<br />
<a href="http://www.bobrohrer.com/sea_stories/krag_rifle_qualification_course_1902-1903.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bobrohrer.com/sea_stories/krag_rifle_qualification_course_1902-1903.pdf</a></p>
<p>The US 200-300 bull was 8-10 inches up through WW1 and WW2. The 600yd slow fire also included a rapid fire for accuracy, during which 5rds were fired in 30sec emphasizing total accuracy, not an irrational expenditure of ammunition. </p>
<p>Further research reveals that there was also a 800, and a 1,000yd line on bullseyes that were noticeably smaller than those used today by the NRA. </p>
<p>The XTC course literally has roots in the early US Army and USMC rifle qual courses. </p>
<p>Why Gary and Laurie Holland weren&#8217;t aware of this is pretty disappointing.<br />
They also exaggerate the amount of practice that the &#8220;Tommies&#8221; received in this period. Once WW1 had broken out everyone from Lord Kitchener could notice the lack of emphasis on marksmanship&#8230;..which entirely contrasts with the American mentality of the period and Pershing&#8217;s instistance that everyone be able to nail a Hun at 600yds. </p>
<p>What no one likes to bring up is that the Germans at Mons WERE being shot at by machine guns and on top of that artillery. The BEF then went on full retreat for 2 non stop weeks, totaling 260 miles.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Santiago</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dennis Santiago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 01:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My quest continues.

(1) Got my middle finger shooting technique up to snuff.  Nailing targets this way is not a bad technique that makes a lot of sense for shooting rapid stages with a bolt gun.  No mods to the SMLE trigger.  This is a test to be mastered &quot;as-issued&quot;. (2) Am patiently cleaning the bore of my No.1 Mk III to get decades of gunk out of the grooves layer by layer.  There&#039;s a lot in there but it looks better after every gentle cleaning. (3) Replacing the cracked forestock.  The glue repair in the old one came apart spectacularly the last time I shot it.  It was also the first time I&#039;d shot it. Ordered one from Numrich and they sent a brand new replica walnut one.  (4) Assembling dummy rounds and setting up the BeamHit laser to build speed with accuracy.

Anyone in the U.K. or Oz with more info on tuning SMLE clips please post.  I&#039;d appreciate any tips.

The best way to savor history is to experience it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My quest continues.</p>
<p>(1) Got my middle finger shooting technique up to snuff.  Nailing targets this way is not a bad technique that makes a lot of sense for shooting rapid stages with a bolt gun.  No mods to the SMLE trigger.  This is a test to be mastered &#8220;as-issued&#8221;. (2) Am patiently cleaning the bore of my No.1 Mk III to get decades of gunk out of the grooves layer by layer.  There&#8217;s a lot in there but it looks better after every gentle cleaning. (3) Replacing the cracked forestock.  The glue repair in the old one came apart spectacularly the last time I shot it.  It was also the first time I&#8217;d shot it. Ordered one from Numrich and they sent a brand new replica walnut one.  (4) Assembling dummy rounds and setting up the BeamHit laser to build speed with accuracy.</p>
<p>Anyone in the U.K. or Oz with more info on tuning SMLE clips please post.  I&#8217;d appreciate any tips.</p>
<p>The best way to savor history is to experience it.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 21:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It might be of interest that at one of my visits to Bisley, i witnessed a gentlemen who gave a demo of how fast a person could shoot the SMLE....it was insanely fast...trigger pull was done with the middle finger, &quot;The Finger&quot;.

Quite entertaining it was


Roy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be of interest that at one of my visits to Bisley, i witnessed a gentlemen who gave a demo of how fast a person could shoot the SMLE&#8230;.it was insanely fast&#8230;trigger pull was done with the middle finger, &#8220;The Finger&#8221;.</p>
<p>Quite entertaining it was</p>
<p>Roy</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Tardif</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Tardif]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 13:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We in the States are familiar with the use of stripper clips. Before the advent of the AR15 many shooters either shot the M1A or a bolt rifle in our High Power matches in which we have 2 rapid fire stages. I started out shooting bolt rifle using stripper clips. I discovered stainless stripper clips would work much better than the common steel variety. I would also cull and tune them to find the slickest ones. I now use one of Gary&#039;s stocks in an RTS variant with AI mags for these rapid fire stages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We in the States are familiar with the use of stripper clips. Before the advent of the AR15 many shooters either shot the M1A or a bolt rifle in our High Power matches in which we have 2 rapid fire stages. I started out shooting bolt rifle using stripper clips. I discovered stainless stripper clips would work much better than the common steel variety. I would also cull and tune them to find the slickest ones. I now use one of Gary&#8217;s stocks in an RTS variant with AI mags for these rapid fire stages.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the Australian perspective, I would echo Laurie&#039;s comments but add one significant point.  The Army reforms that came out of the problems encountered during the Boer War made this Golden Age of individual musketry possible - but the era was more or less over by Christmas 1914 with the end of the BEF and trench fighting.

That being said, Australian shooters have a special love for the SMLE; clad in an Australian timber called coachwood and often oiled far too much.  We are also seeing a return to SMLE shooting competitions.

The key to the Mad Minute is the stripper clip reload.  You can start with one in the chamber and 10 in the mag (I once had a mag that could hold 11!) but you will stand and fall on the reload and tuning the stripper clip for the rifle and then practising this is so important.  I find the sitting position faster than prone too for working the bolt. (Hint #2: a little Break Free on the bolt helps too!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Australian perspective, I would echo Laurie&#8217;s comments but add one significant point.  The Army reforms that came out of the problems encountered during the Boer War made this Golden Age of individual musketry possible &#8211; but the era was more or less over by Christmas 1914 with the end of the BEF and trench fighting.</p>
<p>That being said, Australian shooters have a special love for the SMLE; clad in an Australian timber called coachwood and often oiled far too much.  We are also seeing a return to SMLE shooting competitions.</p>
<p>The key to the Mad Minute is the stripper clip reload.  You can start with one in the chamber and 10 in the mag (I once had a mag that could hold 11!) but you will stand and fall on the reload and tuning the stripper clip for the rifle and then practising this is so important.  I find the sitting position faster than prone too for working the bolt. (Hint #2: a little Break Free on the bolt helps too!)</p>
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		<title>By: Lemmermann</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lemmermann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well in denmark we usually get 12 or 13 rounds off, but the Swedes or the Norweagian (fjællaber) are just insane! Distances are from 125m to approx. 250m]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well in denmark we usually get 12 or 13 rounds off, but the Swedes or the Norweagian (fjællaber) are just insane! Distances are from 125m to approx. 250m</p>
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		<title>By: Editor</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just posted a Stangskyting video this morning. If the shooter in the video could maintain his pace for a full minute he could (just barely), make 38 hits in one minute. But that&#039;s with a modern rifle -- not a WWI-era SMLE!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just posted a Stangskyting video this morning. If the shooter in the video could maintain his pace for a full minute he could (just barely), make 38 hits in one minute. But that&#8217;s with a modern rifle &#8212; not a WWI-era SMLE!</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Santiago</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dennis Santiago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stang!  Yes sir we&#039;ve attempted &quot;Stang&quot; shooting at BRRC.  It is a great format. And we&#039;ve watched lots of YouTubes of these events. Everyone is just amazed at the rate of accurate fire competitors are able to deliver in 25 seconds.  We are all in awe of those guys that do it with the Krags.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stang!  Yes sir we&#8217;ve attempted &#8220;Stang&#8221; shooting at BRRC.  It is a great format. And we&#8217;ve watched lots of YouTubes of these events. Everyone is just amazed at the rate of accurate fire competitors are able to deliver in 25 seconds.  We are all in awe of those guys that do it with the Krags.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Eliseo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Eliseo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[we had a couple of club members bring out their AR service rifles and they could knock out nearly 30 hits with ease, i&#039;m impressed with the level of training it took to master the SMLE, as well as how much easier the modern rifle handles. BTW we also organized a &quot;stang shoot&quot; last year after seeing the amazing abilities of the some Norwegian riflemen videos, another eye opening experience for sure!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we had a couple of club members bring out their AR service rifles and they could knock out nearly 30 hits with ease, i&#8217;m impressed with the level of training it took to master the SMLE, as well as how much easier the modern rifle handles. BTW we also organized a &#8220;stang shoot&#8221; last year after seeing the amazing abilities of the some Norwegian riflemen videos, another eye opening experience for sure!</p>
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		<title>By: Lemmermann</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lemmermann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In skandinavia we have this competion called &quot;stangskytning&quot; it&#039;s similar to the mad minute but we only have 25 seconds to hit the target 200-300m distance with a  6,5x55
heres a clip of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsYpMzuArbc it is børklop whos shooting he is truly mad,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In skandinavia we have this competion called &#8220;stangskytning&#8221; it&#8217;s similar to the mad minute but we only have 25 seconds to hit the target 200-300m distance with a  6,5&#215;55<br />
heres a clip of it <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsYpMzuArbc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsYpMzuArbc</a> it is børklop whos shooting he is truly mad,</p>
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