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		<title>By: Natan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Natan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[when to start selling them? whether to join the queue?]]></description>
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		<title>By: seb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re; Bipod --- The F-TR rules say:

*Copy from NRA website, Section 22. F-Class Rifle Rules.... http://www.nrahq.org/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/hpr-w22.pdf

3.4.1 Rifle Rests

(b) F-Class Target Rifle (F-TR) Rests - A bipod and/or sling are the only allowed front supports for the F-TR
rifle. The rifle may be supported by a bipod and/or sling and a rear support which provide no positive
mechanical method for returning it to its precise point of aim for the prior shot. Subject to:
(1) The bipod and/or sling and rear support may not be attached to each other.
(2) The use of any form of a table is prohibited. Separate flat boards or plates not exceeding the
dimensions of the individual rests by two inches are allowed to be placed under the front and/or rear
rests. In the case of a bipod, the board or plate may not exceed the width of the bipod by 2&quot;, nor be
more than 12&quot; front to rear. See Rule 3.4.1(a)(1).
No leveling screws or protrusions are allowed on these boards or plates. They must be flat on the top
and bottom.
This discipline is a modification of high power prone shooting, not a form of bench rest and should not
be construed as such.
Disabled competitors may apply to the NRA Protest Committee for appropriate dispensation.
The intent of this rule is to prevent the use of a table type device.
(3) A bipod is a device with no more than two legs that touch the firing point. It must be rigidly attached to
the forend of the rifle. The bipod may have rigid or folding legs, and may be adjustable to compensate
for the uneven surface of the firing point.
(4) No portion of the rifle’s butt or forend shall rest directly on the ground or any hard surface. A rear
rabbit eared bag, small sandbag or a gloved hand may be used to support the rifle’s butt. Any rear
support employed shall not be attached, clamped or held to the rifle in any manner. The rear support
may not be fixed to or protrude into the firing point. Mechanically adjustable rear support is not
allowed.
(5) Any number or type of objects may be placed beneath the bipod or rear support, to compensate for
variations in height or slope of the firing point.
(6) The bipod and rear rest may be adjusted after any shot to compensate for rest movement or settling.
A sling may be used in conjunction with the rest(s), but its weight will be included in the rifle’s overall
weight (Rule 3.4.(b)).

There is no mentioned about &#039;simple bipod&#039; nor &#039;to against the spirit of the F-class&#039;(or so) - in the rules. My bipod would only be more convenience to use than a conventional type bipod. And there will be no any (mechanical) bipod of any kinds that will give you a &#039;positive mechanical method for returning it to its precise point of aim for the prior shot&#039;. (I&#039;m sure you know this if you shoot in competitions, it&#039;s not an Unlimited class match).
Just like in point blank benchrest, if you&#039;re good - you&#039;re good...if you&#039;re not good - you&#039;re not good, no matter what equipments you use.
So: I don&#039;t think my bipod against any of the F-Class rules or will against &#039;the spirit&#039; of the F-Class.
Hope this clear the confusions.
seb.

Cost? Production is not even started yet, thus the price cannot be established. But I will tell you that my bipod could be the most &#039;expensive&#039; bipod in the market when ready. 
I will only aim the &#039;high-end market&#039; &amp; will not make &#039;an average&#039; or &#039;sub-standard&#039; equipment. 

E, please explain to your Customers that the bipod wouldn&#039;t be for sale before it works superbly as expected. (Also with the fact that I don&#039;t know when I could have the time to produce it...concerning the people in the list for the NEO &amp; MAX).

Paul, thanks for yours!...seb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re; Bipod &#8212; The F-TR rules say:</p>
<p>*Copy from NRA website, Section 22. F-Class Rifle Rules&#8230;. <a href="http://www.nrahq.org/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/hpr-w22.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nrahq.org/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/hpr-w22.pdf</a></p>
<p>3.4.1 Rifle Rests</p>
<p>(b) F-Class Target Rifle (F-TR) Rests &#8211; A bipod and/or sling are the only allowed front supports for the F-TR<br />
rifle. The rifle may be supported by a bipod and/or sling and a rear support which provide no positive<br />
mechanical method for returning it to its precise point of aim for the prior shot. Subject to:<br />
(1) The bipod and/or sling and rear support may not be attached to each other.<br />
(2) The use of any form of a table is prohibited. Separate flat boards or plates not exceeding the<br />
dimensions of the individual rests by two inches are allowed to be placed under the front and/or rear<br />
rests. In the case of a bipod, the board or plate may not exceed the width of the bipod by 2&#8243;, nor be<br />
more than 12&#8243; front to rear. See Rule 3.4.1(a)(1).<br />
No leveling screws or protrusions are allowed on these boards or plates. They must be flat on the top<br />
and bottom.<br />
This discipline is a modification of high power prone shooting, not a form of bench rest and should not<br />
be construed as such.<br />
Disabled competitors may apply to the NRA Protest Committee for appropriate dispensation.<br />
The intent of this rule is to prevent the use of a table type device.<br />
(3) A bipod is a device with no more than two legs that touch the firing point. It must be rigidly attached to<br />
the forend of the rifle. The bipod may have rigid or folding legs, and may be adjustable to compensate<br />
for the uneven surface of the firing point.<br />
(4) No portion of the rifle’s butt or forend shall rest directly on the ground or any hard surface. A rear<br />
rabbit eared bag, small sandbag or a gloved hand may be used to support the rifle’s butt. Any rear<br />
support employed shall not be attached, clamped or held to the rifle in any manner. The rear support<br />
may not be fixed to or protrude into the firing point. Mechanically adjustable rear support is not<br />
allowed.<br />
(5) Any number or type of objects may be placed beneath the bipod or rear support, to compensate for<br />
variations in height or slope of the firing point.<br />
(6) The bipod and rear rest may be adjusted after any shot to compensate for rest movement or settling.<br />
A sling may be used in conjunction with the rest(s), but its weight will be included in the rifle’s overall<br />
weight (Rule 3.4.(b)).</p>
<p>There is no mentioned about &#8216;simple bipod&#8217; nor &#8216;to against the spirit of the F-class'(or so) &#8211; in the rules. My bipod would only be more convenience to use than a conventional type bipod. And there will be no any (mechanical) bipod of any kinds that will give you a &#8216;positive mechanical method for returning it to its precise point of aim for the prior shot&#8217;. (I&#8217;m sure you know this if you shoot in competitions, it&#8217;s not an Unlimited class match).<br />
Just like in point blank benchrest, if you&#8217;re good &#8211; you&#8217;re good&#8230;if you&#8217;re not good &#8211; you&#8217;re not good, no matter what equipments you use.<br />
So: I don&#8217;t think my bipod against any of the F-Class rules or will against &#8216;the spirit&#8217; of the F-Class.<br />
Hope this clear the confusions.<br />
seb.</p>
<p>Cost? Production is not even started yet, thus the price cannot be established. But I will tell you that my bipod could be the most &#8216;expensive&#8217; bipod in the market when ready.<br />
I will only aim the &#8216;high-end market&#8217; &amp; will not make &#8216;an average&#8217; or &#8216;sub-standard&#8217; equipment. </p>
<p>E, please explain to your Customers that the bipod wouldn&#8217;t be for sale before it works superbly as expected. (Also with the fact that I don&#8217;t know when I could have the time to produce it&#8230;concerning the people in the list for the NEO &amp; MAX).</p>
<p>Paul, thanks for yours!&#8230;seb.</p>
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		<title>By: Natan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Natan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How much it coast?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much it coast?</p>
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		<title>By: Dasher</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dasher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to pee on anyone&#039;s parade, joystick bipods have been spotted in Bisley since around 2009&#039;ish. All DIY though, but Seb might be the first commercial one out there.

Kind of goes against the &quot;simple bipod&quot; rule in F-Class if you ask me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to pee on anyone&#8217;s parade, joystick bipods have been spotted in Bisley since around 2009&#8217;ish. All DIY though, but Seb might be the first commercial one out there.</p>
<p>Kind of goes against the &#8220;simple bipod&#8221; rule in F-Class if you ask me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernie Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ernie Bishop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 19:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seb,
I have had customers contact me already about being put on the waiting list. :)
Can&#039;t wait to try one out myself.
E]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seb,<br />
I have had customers contact me already about being put on the waiting list. <img src="https://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /><br />
Can&#8217;t wait to try one out myself.<br />
E</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Janzso</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Janzso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 05:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Seb 
I am just having a F Class standard/ F/TR,Model 07 Barnard rifle put together and your  Joy Stick  by pod would finish it just great. 
I recommend for your Australian customers that you find a F Class dealer like the State Rifle Associations not just one dealer who is only interested in Bench Rest  competitions. 
I purchased on of your first bench rest rests and other people seeing mine did the same and also have purchased your newer Neo rest with great results. 
I look forward to seeing your new Joy Stick By Pod in Australia. 
Cheers
Paul Janzso]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Seb<br />
I am just having a F Class standard/ F/TR,Model 07 Barnard rifle put together and your  Joy Stick  by pod would finish it just great.<br />
I recommend for your Australian customers that you find a F Class dealer like the State Rifle Associations not just one dealer who is only interested in Bench Rest  competitions.<br />
I purchased on of your first bench rest rests and other people seeing mine did the same and also have purchased your newer Neo rest with great results.<br />
I look forward to seeing your new Joy Stick By Pod in Australia.<br />
Cheers<br />
Paul Janzso</p>
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		<title>By: seb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 18:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks you Paul for writing up my prototype bipod!

For the readers, please note that I have never asked &quot;Forum Boss&quot; to write up about my products etc. It&#039;s only his kind gesture, and all of his efforts are much appreciated!

I thanks you also guys for the positive comments.  
Thanks Lee!
Thanks you Pmoore for the suggestion, and noted.
Thanks you Mr. King! Seems that I&#039;m not the only one with the idea. Nice to know someone else like you has tried/makes a bipod with joystick feature. And you&#039;re right, there is always a rough draft(s) before the masterpiece.
One thing for sure though, that I didn&#039;t/don&#039;t steal your idea. It&#039;s my own idea, from the neck of the woods overhere in Indonesia. I have kept the idea as a &#039;secret&#039; from last year, just didn&#039;t have the time to make it due to my workloads/businesses.
I wish you all the bests!...seb.

BTW Forum Boss, my head was almost &#039;blow-up&#039; reading your comment about me...I&#039;m not &#039;that good&#039; for sure. And this poor guy still need to learn a lot!...seb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks you Paul for writing up my prototype bipod!</p>
<p>For the readers, please note that I have never asked &#8220;Forum Boss&#8221; to write up about my products etc. It&#8217;s only his kind gesture, and all of his efforts are much appreciated!</p>
<p>I thanks you also guys for the positive comments.<br />
Thanks Lee!<br />
Thanks you Pmoore for the suggestion, and noted.<br />
Thanks you Mr. King! Seems that I&#8217;m not the only one with the idea. Nice to know someone else like you has tried/makes a bipod with joystick feature. And you&#8217;re right, there is always a rough draft(s) before the masterpiece.<br />
One thing for sure though, that I didn&#8217;t/don&#8217;t steal your idea. It&#8217;s my own idea, from the neck of the woods overhere in Indonesia. I have kept the idea as a &#8216;secret&#8217; from last year, just didn&#8217;t have the time to make it due to my workloads/businesses.<br />
I wish you all the bests!&#8230;seb.</p>
<p>BTW Forum Boss, my head was almost &#8216;blow-up&#8217; reading your comment about me&#8230;I&#8217;m not &#8216;that good&#8217; for sure. And this poor guy still need to learn a lot!&#8230;seb.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. King - I am in San Antonio and would be interested to see and possibly purchase one of your bipods.  I looked for your website and could not find one...is there a way for me to discuss this with you?

Regards]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. King &#8211; I am in San Antonio and would be interested to see and possibly purchase one of your bipods.  I looked for your website and could not find one&#8230;is there a way for me to discuss this with you?</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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		<title>By: Richard King</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard King]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 03:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seb, 
Good looking unit. I bet up can get the weight down.
  But as far as being first - I had my prototype at the Texas State Mid Range Championship last March. I shot it in early March at a match in East Texas in F-open because the 15 ounce unit put my F/TR over weight. For that reason I could not shoot it at the mid range match but did have it for display. It was viewed by many and I did take a couple orders then.
  As you say - the prototype needed a few modifications. Those you find out by putting it through live ammo test in match conditions. I finnished modification some time in May.
  It is now at a local (small) production machine shop be quoted on for mass (small) production.
Good Luck
Richard King
King&#039;s Armory
Arlington, Texas]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seb,<br />
Good looking unit. I bet up can get the weight down.<br />
  But as far as being first &#8211; I had my prototype at the Texas State Mid Range Championship last March. I shot it in early March at a match in East Texas in F-open because the 15 ounce unit put my F/TR over weight. For that reason I could not shoot it at the mid range match but did have it for display. It was viewed by many and I did take a couple orders then.<br />
  As you say &#8211; the prototype needed a few modifications. Those you find out by putting it through live ammo test in match conditions. I finnished modification some time in May.<br />
  It is now at a local (small) production machine shop be quoted on for mass (small) production.<br />
Good Luck<br />
Richard King<br />
King&#8217;s Armory<br />
Arlington, Texas</p>
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		<title>By: Pmoore</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pmoore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 01:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If SEB is looking for feedback, I suggest he improve the availability of current products and the distribution network in the US prior to releasing new products.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If SEB is looking for feedback, I suggest he improve the availability of current products and the distribution network in the US prior to releasing new products.</p>
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