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	<title>Comments on: Range Tip: How to Avoid Blasting Your Chronograph</title>
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		<title>By: Carl Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl Porter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2014 01:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The magneto speed attaches to the barrel like a tuner and therefore not good for load work up.
The Labradar will be great if you own range. It says it will pick up shots a few feet on either side, at a public range that means the lanes next to you get measured too.
I&#039;ve been using a laser bore sight for years to speed up using my Millennium. Only time anything hit it was when were trying  sabots in a .30-06.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The magneto speed attaches to the barrel like a tuner and therefore not good for load work up.<br />
The Labradar will be great if you own range. It says it will pick up shots a few feet on either side, at a public range that means the lanes next to you get measured too.<br />
I&#8217;ve been using a laser bore sight for years to speed up using my Millennium. Only time anything hit it was when were trying  sabots in a .30-06.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2014 21:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is only one way to be absolutely sure that you don&#039;t blast your chrono.
- Borrow someone else&#039;s.

On a more serious note, I saw a post with some recent info from LabRadar on the  date and price.  
http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?8634-LabRadar-Chronograph-Update]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is only one way to be absolutely sure that you don&#8217;t blast your chrono.<br />
&#8211; Borrow someone else&#8217;s.</p>
<p>On a more serious note, I saw a post with some recent info from LabRadar on the  date and price.<br />
<a href="http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?8634-LabRadar-Chronograph-Update" rel="nofollow">http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?8634-LabRadar-Chronograph-Update</a></p>
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		<title>By: Neil Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Gibson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2014 08:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All speed measuring systems have their positive and negative points and I&#039;ve used a few.

For light based detectors the biggest error a user can make (other than shooting the damn thing) is making sure the screens are aligned with the bullet trajectory. Any discrepancy up, down, left right, means you aren&#039;t measuring the observed speed correctly, but a component of it.

Frankly, all commercial light based systems have base lengths (distance between screens) which are too small (they should be at least a metre for small arms) and there should be at least three sets of screens. All observing the same point in space. So, 1.5 m base length for screen set A, 1.25 for B and 1.0 m for C. C within B, and B within A, so that they all look at the same point in space.

As to the Magentospeed. It has an extremely short base length and will by subject to the same misalignment error as light screens. This causing even greater error per degree due to its short base length. As it isn&#039;t fixed as per and muzzle brake or suppressor, there&#039;s also the potential for gas leakage prior to bullet exit to move the sensor array. Certainly not something I would have used in my old job to measure velocity accurately, though good for triggering other things in a more robust form. Very robust versions are used on some AAA system to measure the velocity of the rounds as they are fired and pump that data back into the fire control computer.

Doppler radars are good and I&#039;ve had some conversations with the Labradar people. The device seems to be quite a good system, though they are keeping most technical info close to their hearts. Not up to what I&#039;ve used, but they cost tens of thousands of pounds.

Want the most accurate muzzle velocity, which is a bit of a misnomer as the projectile continues to accelerate for a few calibres out of the barrel, use an in-bore Doppler radar or laser based Doppler radar. Bit expensive though :P

Editor: Neil, that&#039;s great info. And thanks for your insights on the Magnetospeed. Because the design has many advantages people may overlook some of the things you note.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All speed measuring systems have their positive and negative points and I&#8217;ve used a few.</p>
<p>For light based detectors the biggest error a user can make (other than shooting the damn thing) is making sure the screens are aligned with the bullet trajectory. Any discrepancy up, down, left right, means you aren&#8217;t measuring the observed speed correctly, but a component of it.</p>
<p>Frankly, all commercial light based systems have base lengths (distance between screens) which are too small (they should be at least a metre for small arms) and there should be at least three sets of screens. All observing the same point in space. So, 1.5 m base length for screen set A, 1.25 for B and 1.0 m for C. C within B, and B within A, so that they all look at the same point in space.</p>
<p>As to the Magentospeed. It has an extremely short base length and will by subject to the same misalignment error as light screens. This causing even greater error per degree due to its short base length. As it isn&#8217;t fixed as per and muzzle brake or suppressor, there&#8217;s also the potential for gas leakage prior to bullet exit to move the sensor array. Certainly not something I would have used in my old job to measure velocity accurately, though good for triggering other things in a more robust form. Very robust versions are used on some AAA system to measure the velocity of the rounds as they are fired and pump that data back into the fire control computer.</p>
<p>Doppler radars are good and I&#8217;ve had some conversations with the Labradar people. The device seems to be quite a good system, though they are keeping most technical info close to their hearts. Not up to what I&#8217;ve used, but they cost tens of thousands of pounds.</p>
<p>Want the most accurate muzzle velocity, which is a bit of a misnomer as the projectile continues to accelerate for a few calibres out of the barrel, use an in-bore Doppler radar or laser based Doppler radar. Bit expensive though <img src="https://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>Editor: Neil, that&#8217;s great info. And thanks for your insights on the Magnetospeed. Because the design has many advantages people may overlook some of the things you note.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2014 01:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The light chronograph is like our old vhs its been surpassed by better technology. Magnetospeed is the way to go, but you have to admit that it change the POI. So you can&#039;t check your speed and shoot for accuracy at the same time.Any news on the new LABRADAR? would like to see a review of that!.
Mike

Editor: Mike, we have asked the makers of Labradar to loan us a unit for testing, but they have declined to respond so far. Maybe it&#039;s not quite ready for the market. Re the Magnetospeed, we tested the Gen 1 version. The Gen 3 version was recently released with welcome improvements. We like the Magnetospeed but we generally test with an Oehler or PVM-21 in place as well, so we have two and often three readings for each shot. We have seen some things that make us scratch our head about the Gen 1 Magnetospeed. It will be interesting to see how the Gen 3 units perform.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The light chronograph is like our old vhs its been surpassed by better technology. Magnetospeed is the way to go, but you have to admit that it change the POI. So you can&#8217;t check your speed and shoot for accuracy at the same time.Any news on the new LABRADAR? would like to see a review of that!.<br />
Mike</p>
<p>Editor: Mike, we have asked the makers of Labradar to loan us a unit for testing, but they have declined to respond so far. Maybe it&#8217;s not quite ready for the market. Re the Magnetospeed, we tested the Gen 1 version. The Gen 3 version was recently released with welcome improvements. We like the Magnetospeed but we generally test with an Oehler or PVM-21 in place as well, so we have two and often three readings for each shot. We have seen some things that make us scratch our head about the Gen 1 Magnetospeed. It will be interesting to see how the Gen 3 units perform.</p>
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		<title>By: DesertLefty</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2014 22:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For rifle work, Magnetospeed is totally the way to go. Mine is easy to set up, never misses a shot, and is totally insensitive to lighting conditions. (Shadows or direct sun can cause many missed shots on optical chronographs.)

Plus, if you shoot on a public range, you don&#039;t need a ceasefire to set it up or adjust it. It is SWEET!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For rifle work, Magnetospeed is totally the way to go. Mine is easy to set up, never misses a shot, and is totally insensitive to lighting conditions. (Shadows or direct sun can cause many missed shots on optical chronographs.)</p>
<p>Plus, if you shoot on a public range, you don&#8217;t need a ceasefire to set it up or adjust it. It is SWEET!</p>
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