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		<title>By: rain164845</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anyone know where to get larger carbide bushings?  I am interested in .268 or so. Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know where to get larger carbide bushings?  I am interested in .268 or so. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boyd Allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing that I have discussed with Troy Newlon is that he takes the time to straighten the allthread that his decapping stems are made from. He is all about the details. 

If you want straight bushings, my experience has been that the carbide bushings, are much better, due to the difference in how they are made. 

The other issue steel is whether the hole is cocked in relation to the ends. You can ask Speedy about this. 

Technique can also play a role. While sizing a case, if you pick up the bushing and tap the retainer with it very lightly, and reverse your stroke ever so slightly, that will allow the bushing to recenter for your up stroke. 

A friend checked his two Rock Chuckers and found that the top of his rams were holding shell holders slightly off center. He modified shell holders and the top of the ram, on his lathe, and the concentricity numbers got noticeably better. 

Another friend was using a lube pad that was designed for one kind of lube with another, and it was going on the cases unevenly. Switching to lubing with his fingers showed significant improvment. 

I did an article on letting a FL (bushing) die float in the press threads, and for that combination, that made a significant difference. The point is that there are multiple sources and solutions. 

If I got .001 runout on a case neck of a case that had been fired and was sized in a FL die without the bushing, based on experience, I would look beyond the bushing, and for that matter the die.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that I have discussed with Troy Newlon is that he takes the time to straighten the allthread that his decapping stems are made from. He is all about the details. </p>
<p>If you want straight bushings, my experience has been that the carbide bushings, are much better, due to the difference in how they are made. </p>
<p>The other issue steel is whether the hole is cocked in relation to the ends. You can ask Speedy about this. </p>
<p>Technique can also play a role. While sizing a case, if you pick up the bushing and tap the retainer with it very lightly, and reverse your stroke ever so slightly, that will allow the bushing to recenter for your up stroke. </p>
<p>A friend checked his two Rock Chuckers and found that the top of his rams were holding shell holders slightly off center. He modified shell holders and the top of the ram, on his lathe, and the concentricity numbers got noticeably better. </p>
<p>Another friend was using a lube pad that was designed for one kind of lube with another, and it was going on the cases unevenly. Switching to lubing with his fingers showed significant improvment. </p>
<p>I did an article on letting a FL (bushing) die float in the press threads, and for that combination, that made a significant difference. The point is that there are multiple sources and solutions. </p>
<p>If I got .001 runout on a case neck of a case that had been fired and was sized in a FL die without the bushing, based on experience, I would look beyond the bushing, and for that matter the die.</p>
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		<title>By: Dasher</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dasher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry for all the typos :(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for all the typos <img src="https://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Dasher</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dasher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, and that was the culprit. I reported the solution to my problem non my FB page where this story comes from, so maybe share it here as well:


I don&#039;t use the decapping assy on the FL dies and I decap and tumble before sizing anyway. Without the decapping assy the locking nut is not there and the bushing can travel up, not sizing the neck. So I was using a Newlon stem and a washer to set the bushing at the desired height. 

In hindsight: I sold the newlon die that the stem belonged to, so had to put back the original redding stem a week or so back.

After Jim&#039;s kind not to check this, I measured the redding stem and found out it wobbles .004&quot;, so this is indeed the cause of the runout I have. But because prior to this I had always used the newlon stem (.0005&quot; runout I just checked), I never gave it any thought as I never had issues with my 6x47 dies before. Hence I was baffled that my 6x47 now also shoowed a lot of runout.

So the cause of all this is the stem that holds the top of the bushing, and changing something that you don&#039;t think twice about to cause issues like this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and that was the culprit. I reported the solution to my problem non my FB page where this story comes from, so maybe share it here as well:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t use the decapping assy on the FL dies and I decap and tumble before sizing anyway. Without the decapping assy the locking nut is not there and the bushing can travel up, not sizing the neck. So I was using a Newlon stem and a washer to set the bushing at the desired height. </p>
<p>In hindsight: I sold the newlon die that the stem belonged to, so had to put back the original redding stem a week or so back.</p>
<p>After Jim&#8217;s kind not to check this, I measured the redding stem and found out it wobbles .004&#8243;, so this is indeed the cause of the runout I have. But because prior to this I had always used the newlon stem (.0005&#8243; runout I just checked), I never gave it any thought as I never had issues with my 6&#215;47 dies before. Hence I was baffled that my 6&#215;47 now also shoowed a lot of runout.</p>
<p>So the cause of all this is the stem that holds the top of the bushing, and changing something that you don&#8217;t think twice about to cause issues like this.</p>
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		<title>By: rain164845</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t the squareness of the top of the die (the threaded piece that holds the bushing down) have a lot to do with how square the bushing sits in relation to the case under full load?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t the squareness of the top of the die (the threaded piece that holds the bushing down) have a lot to do with how square the bushing sits in relation to the case under full load?</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like my 20 dollar lee collet die.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like my 20 dollar lee collet die.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep, bushing dies induce runout, but I have proven to myself on the target that neck to body concentricity don&#039;t mean squat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, bushing dies induce runout, but I have proven to myself on the target that neck to body concentricity don&#8217;t mean squat.</p>
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		<title>By: Dasher</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dasher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2014 10:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hah, I was surprised to see my little post placed here :)

Still working on finding the cause. I no longer have any custom dies (sold two rifles, waiting on new ones). I&#039;m pretty sure these custom dies were well within the same .0015&quot; as you were seeing. Maybe I&#039;m just now noticing it on the factory Redding dies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah, I was surprised to see my little post placed here <img src="https://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>Still working on finding the cause. I no longer have any custom dies (sold two rifles, waiting on new ones). I&#8217;m pretty sure these custom dies were well within the same .0015&#8243; as you were seeing. Maybe I&#8217;m just now noticing it on the factory Redding dies.</p>
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