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	<title>Comments on: Cartridge OAL &#8212; How It Affects Pressure, Velocity, and Accuracy</title>
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		<title>By: Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bubba]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Using a 48gr charge of Alliant Reloader 17 behind a 180gr Speer Hotcor SP in the Schmidt-rubin 1911 rifle results in a little over 2600fps when loaded to an OAL of ~3.01&quot;, but just UNDER 2600fps when loaded to an OAL of ~2.95&quot;. I&#039;m having trouble understanding why the shorter OAL is producing a lower velocity using the same powder charge and bullet, from the same rifle. I assume the chamber pressure must have risen, but I&#039;m not seeing the evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using a 48gr charge of Alliant Reloader 17 behind a 180gr Speer Hotcor SP in the Schmidt-rubin 1911 rifle results in a little over 2600fps when loaded to an OAL of ~3.01&#8243;, but just UNDER 2600fps when loaded to an OAL of ~2.95&#8243;. I&#8217;m having trouble understanding why the shorter OAL is producing a lower velocity using the same powder charge and bullet, from the same rifle. I assume the chamber pressure must have risen, but I&#8217;m not seeing the evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leonard Thompson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2019 16:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When ever someone brings up COL or COAL,
there are always people explaining the distance
between bullet and the beginning of the rifling.
  Bullet Jump etc.
I and some others are more interested in how
COL affects chamber pressure.     This can be
critical with some handguns where .1 grain
of powder can be the difference in a good load
or pressure too high.   When loading to Max
one must always be careful not to load the bullet too 
far into the case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When ever someone brings up COL or COAL,<br />
there are always people explaining the distance<br />
between bullet and the beginning of the rifling.<br />
  Bullet Jump etc.<br />
I and some others are more interested in how<br />
COL affects chamber pressure.     This can be<br />
critical with some handguns where .1 grain<br />
of powder can be the difference in a good load<br />
or pressure too high.   When loading to Max<br />
one must always be careful not to load the bullet too<br />
far into the case.</p>
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		<title>By: George Steele</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Steele]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems to me that COAL is a bad proxy for a way to measure what is a different issue.  The real issue is bullet clearance relative to the leade, or start of the engraving.  But the ogive of the bullet can vary from blunt through tangent and secant, each with - for a given COAL - a significantly different distance off the lands.  

The jump before the bullet contacts the leade - the tapered portion of the rifling where the engraving starts - makes a difference in the rate of pressure rise when the cartridge is fired.  If you use a given COAL with a secant ogive bullet, and switch to a round-nose of the same weight - and use the same COAL - you&#039;re in trouble with chamber pressure.  You&#039;ll most likely seat the bullet deeper in the case upon chambering, and cause a pressure excursion because there will be both no jump after firing, and a lower effective case capacity.  

Also, I see no reference to the accuracy issue in what is written above.  Usually, that is considered in light of a minimum jump between the case and the Leade, so that the bullet longitudinal axis remains coaxial with the barrel longitudinal axis, but with sufficient space to allow movement to begin to avoid overpressure from seating the bullet in contact with the Leade.

Finally, on definitions, SAAMI used to define Leade as: That section of the bore of a rifled gun barrel located immediately ahead of the chamber in which the rifling is conically removed to provide clearance for the seated bullet. Also called Throat or Ball Seat.  That is, the tapered portion of the rifling at the beginning of the rifling.

Now the listed definition for Leade has been removed, and the issue is defined at Throat.  Throat: The tapered portion of the bore of a barrel, immediately ahead of the chamber which is sized to provide clearance for the bullet of the loaded cartridge. Also referred to as Leade or Ball Seat and is associated with Free Bore. 

That conflicts with your diagram above.  It also defines Free Bore: A portion of the chamber, usually cylindrical, forward of the casemouth, of a diameter larger than the projectile, in which rifling is not present. See Bullet Jump. See Throat.  

And finally, Bullet Jump: The distance that a bullet must travel from its position at rest in the cartridge case to its initial engagement of the rifling.  Also Known As: Free Travel

The SAAMI definitions are somewhat of a mess, confessing that there is a jumbled understanding of what the terms mean.  For decades, chamber meant the negative space into which the cartridge case fit, with free bore constituting the throat, and the Leade being the tapered portion of the rifling at the end of the throat that began the engraving of the bullet upon firing.  The jump was the distance that the bullet traveled after firing before it first contacted the tapered lands of the Leade.  Your diagram, which shows the bullet nose in contact with the lands, conflicts with both that understanding and the current SAAMI definitions.  See: https://saami.org/saami-glossary/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me that COAL is a bad proxy for a way to measure what is a different issue.  The real issue is bullet clearance relative to the leade, or start of the engraving.  But the ogive of the bullet can vary from blunt through tangent and secant, each with &#8211; for a given COAL &#8211; a significantly different distance off the lands.  </p>
<p>The jump before the bullet contacts the leade &#8211; the tapered portion of the rifling where the engraving starts &#8211; makes a difference in the rate of pressure rise when the cartridge is fired.  If you use a given COAL with a secant ogive bullet, and switch to a round-nose of the same weight &#8211; and use the same COAL &#8211; you&#8217;re in trouble with chamber pressure.  You&#8217;ll most likely seat the bullet deeper in the case upon chambering, and cause a pressure excursion because there will be both no jump after firing, and a lower effective case capacity.  </p>
<p>Also, I see no reference to the accuracy issue in what is written above.  Usually, that is considered in light of a minimum jump between the case and the Leade, so that the bullet longitudinal axis remains coaxial with the barrel longitudinal axis, but with sufficient space to allow movement to begin to avoid overpressure from seating the bullet in contact with the Leade.</p>
<p>Finally, on definitions, SAAMI used to define Leade as: That section of the bore of a rifled gun barrel located immediately ahead of the chamber in which the rifling is conically removed to provide clearance for the seated bullet. Also called Throat or Ball Seat.  That is, the tapered portion of the rifling at the beginning of the rifling.</p>
<p>Now the listed definition for Leade has been removed, and the issue is defined at Throat.  Throat: The tapered portion of the bore of a barrel, immediately ahead of the chamber which is sized to provide clearance for the bullet of the loaded cartridge. Also referred to as Leade or Ball Seat and is associated with Free Bore. </p>
<p>That conflicts with your diagram above.  It also defines Free Bore: A portion of the chamber, usually cylindrical, forward of the casemouth, of a diameter larger than the projectile, in which rifling is not present. See Bullet Jump. See Throat.  </p>
<p>And finally, Bullet Jump: The distance that a bullet must travel from its position at rest in the cartridge case to its initial engagement of the rifling.  Also Known As: Free Travel</p>
<p>The SAAMI definitions are somewhat of a mess, confessing that there is a jumbled understanding of what the terms mean.  For decades, chamber meant the negative space into which the cartridge case fit, with free bore constituting the throat, and the Leade being the tapered portion of the rifling at the end of the throat that began the engraving of the bullet upon firing.  The jump was the distance that the bullet traveled after firing before it first contacted the tapered lands of the Leade.  Your diagram, which shows the bullet nose in contact with the lands, conflicts with both that understanding and the current SAAMI definitions.  See: <a href="https://saami.org/saami-glossary/" rel="nofollow">https://saami.org/saami-glossary/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Don Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2018 15:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does length of bullet effect rifle accuracy?  With the same bullet weight does the length of the bullet, long over short, effect the long range accuracy of a 22-250 rifle?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does length of bullet effect rifle accuracy?  With the same bullet weight does the length of the bullet, long over short, effect the long range accuracy of a 22-250 rifle?</p>
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