Comments on: New F1 F-Open Stock from Competition Machine

By: Dave Yarger

Dave Yarger — Tue, 19 May 2015 03:20:36 +0000

Brad, get what you are saying, but at the very least you have to appreciate the engineering. I shoot sling and enjoy the sport of it. F-Class is just a different game. Way I see it anyway.

By: Alan

Alan — Sun, 10 May 2015 15:56:55 +0000

This is a similar concept to my F-Open stock, although mine is mostly hollow section steel, and the clamp is a pair of opposing 90 degree V blocks bolted together. Mine rides even lower, with the barrel only 0.12″ above the bag. Originally the fore-end was offset, but the uneven weight on the front bag was problematic so it is now centrally aligned. I share the concerns expressed above about the way barrel clamps effectively shorten the barrel, and reduce the likelihood of getting positive compensation. In an attempt to improve it, my newest barrel is 34″ and 1″ diameter for most of its length. Will be testing it shortly. The stock works well – it was good enough for 7th place at the FCWC in Raton, using a 32″ 1.25″ parallel barrel chambered in 7mm Shehane. The Eliseo F1 looks will not appeal to some, but its a beauty queen beside mine! A good looking score is better than a good looking rifle.

By: Jim See

Jim See — Fri, 08 May 2015 14:45:25 +0000

In the end cosmetics really mean little, our desire is an accurate and shoot-able rifle. This article includes no accuracy testing with multiple HP cartridges. Gary may have something here but I wouldn’t volunteer to be the ginni pig.
Dunbar and Wazniak from WI built a similar stock 4 years ago, Dunbar tested it extensively and still uses the proto type today. What he learned was it worked well on smaller f-class cartridges and sucked on WSM and RSAUM sized loading. I think the issue revolved around some induced vibration but Jon would be better at relaying his results. May-be Gary has a winner may-be not, testing will tell.

By: Bill

Bill — Wed, 06 May 2015 22:16:43 +0000

Oh, Brad, come over to the Dark Side already – it’s a lot of fun. Much more than complaining about money.

As to this stock, if Gary really wanted to eliminate twisting he could mount a “keel” plate to the forearm bottom and sell a rest-top that matches it. Would still lift straight up and out but eliminates the need for bags on the sides of the fore-end.

Gary Childs uses one on his Open Tubegun stock.

By: Brad (CA)

Brad (CA) — Wed, 06 May 2015 21:46:23 +0000

Hmmm… “Free recoil has long been the preferred method in the benchrest world and many F-Class shooters have adopted it as well.”

It sure seems like the shooting sports are heading toward being a $$$ race to build small caliber artillery pieces.

Too many Indians that can’t admit the issue isn’t the arrow I guess. I can understand shooting off a rest if you are physically unable to use a sling, but until that time comes…

By: killick

killick — Wed, 06 May 2015 17:55:25 +0000

“Positive compensation” for me is 200-14x at 1k yards. I guess we’ll see on the range. Gary’s previous stocks have been proven to be positive compensation hammers in the past, I see no reason why this one won’t be the same.

By: Alex

Alex — Wed, 06 May 2015 17:05:37 +0000

If you study up on positive compensation this is exactly the opposite of what you want in a long range stock. Would be great for short range though.

By: Gary Eliseo

Gary Eliseo — Wed, 06 May 2015 16:19:53 +0000

the trigger guard can easily be made to accept an AR grip for those who want one.

By: Pete

Pete — Wed, 06 May 2015 15:40:30 +0000

I bet it tracks beautifully. I bet it looks great in one of his finishes. I want one in blue.

By: Rod

Rod — Wed, 06 May 2015 15:03:28 +0000

I do like the look of the stock and the barrel block concept for a new build. I would still like to have the option of choosing a pistol grip however. Shooting 300WSM feels better when you are holding a pistol grip. I think the free recoil can be had for light 6mm calibers but with the heavy bullets it feels you’re missing something