Comments on: Game-Changer: Berger 7mm 195gr Bullet with 0.755 G1 BC

By: David Joe

David Joe — Wed, 13 Jan 2016 18:13:02 +0000

Meant to say above that those identical points of impact were at 100 yards. With club match testing now at 600, the 195’s strike about 6 inches higher, and they deflect less. If you alternate shots between in the same rifle with these and 180’s at 600 yards, with a constant scope hold on center and consistent cross wind, you will form two very distinct groups with no overlap, and the 195’s will hit higher and significantly closer to the bull. I can’t think of a real world test that is more reliable. And interestingly the 195’s with RE 25 heat the barrel less than 180’s with less 4831sc.

By: Emil Praslick

Emil Praslick — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 05:36:46 +0000

“Final Thoughts
We are excited about these bullets and confident that they will be successful. However, there are a couple of very important things to keep in mind. This bullet is currently being made ONLY in our Elite Hunter configuration. It is made using our thinner jacket to produce the best possible terminal performance. If these bullets are successful, then our plan is to also produce a Target version with a thicker jacket. We know that many shooters are excited to try these bullets in target competitions. Our hunting bullets are held to the same tolerances as our target bullets, but do have a thinner jacket (read HERE for more information). They are not target bullets, which are built to withstand the speeds and pressures that our target shooters demand. So if you plan to use these in your target rifles, please test them thoroughly BEFORE you go to a major competition.
We will be very interested in hearing from those who received bullets from our first run. The future of this bullet will depend on their results.”

Wow. They seem really concerned about jacket thickness. In the literary world, we call that “foreshadowing”.

By: David Joe

David Joe — Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:52:50 +0000

Shooting these bullets for the first time in groups intermittently, along with180 hybrids through a 1-8 twist barrel in .284 Win, they hit in exactly the same place with 56.0 grains of RE 25, as 180 hybrids did with 54.0 grains of 4831sc. I did not chronograph them but logic dictates that they were close to the same velocity, if they maintained exactly the same POI. This is not a hot load in my rifle judging by the brass, but the powder is somewhat compressed. What’s more is that they group tight, just like retipped 180s. My early thought is they are excellent. A game changer.

By: Guy

Guy — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 02:05:52 +0000

Final Thoughts
We are excited about these bullets and confident that they will be successful. However, there are a couple of very important things to keep in mind. This bullet is currently being made ONLY in our Elite Hunter configuration. It is made using our thinner jacket to produce the best possible terminal performance. If these bullets are successful, then our plan is to also produce a Target version with a thicker jacket. We know that many shooters are excited to try these bullets in target competitions. Our hunting bullets are held to the same tolerances as our target bullets, but do have a thinner jacket (read HERE for more information). They are not target bullets, which are built to withstand the speeds and pressures that our target shooters demand. So if you plan to use these in your target rifles, please test them thoroughly BEFORE you go to a major competition.
We will be very interested in hearing from those who received bullets from our first run. The future of this bullet will depend on their results.

http://www.bergerbullets.com/7mm-195gr-eol-elite-hunter-testing/

By: Daniel

Daniel — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 19:17:39 +0000

This would be awesome in a 7RUM pushed at 3100 or so. I shot some of the Alco 195’s in my 26″ factory 7RM and saw 2,850 fps without pressure, those bullets have a gigantic bearing surface and the Bergers typically do not. I didn’t think of F-Class when I saw the BC, but immediately thought about a bullet that would allow a 7RUM/STW/Dakota to compete with a .338 LM with way less recoil and muzzle blast. This might have more of an appeal to the ELR crowd.

By: david

david — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:06:30 +0000

I run a 28nosler with a 28″ lilja 8 twist barrel and 3.6 oal. Im currently getting 3320fps with a 180g berger. So id hope for 3200fps with the 195g once released. Cant wait to get hold of some!!!

By: Guy

Guy — Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:02:33 +0000

Thats why I used 2800 fps for the 195 and 2950 for the 180 when I ran the numbers above.

By: frank green

frank green — Mon, 31 Aug 2015 11:43:46 +0000

With a 7 short mag. your going to be more in the 2800fps range. Your not going to get the same velocity with same case and powder as the 180s with out pressure going up! No way around it.

My twist calc’s on the 195’s is coming in at 1-8.52 as a min. at 2800fps. I would run a 1-8.5 or faster twist to shoot the 195’s.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

By: John

John — Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:41:18 +0000

Ray, I’m guessing they are using 2950 because that is about where the 180’s are. I keep hearing about people changing calibers and barrels and throats to push this bullet faster, but for some less wealthy people (me) I have one rifle and I have to shoot what I brung, or sell and start over. For those more well healed, there will be cannons built that will shoot it as fast as you want.

By: Ray

Ray — Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:20:32 +0000

Why are you guys looking for 2950 fps? The .300 wsm performs well at 2850