Comments on: New Mid-Range Prone Discipline for AR Shooters

By: Grant

Grant — Mon, 02 Sep 2019 23:10:27 +0000

Olin, that is exactly why the class is dying before it ever had a chance to start.

This should have been for 223/556 with MAG LENGTH AMMO…to make to a wind-reading game instead of a high-buck equipment race. With mag length ammo, anyone can buy a few boxes of Black Hills, Hornady or Fed ammo and win matches.

It will never change however because that isn’t how NRA does things and it will die. Have presented it to the CMP through a couple of their state officers. Unless they pick it up, the class has maybe another year left at best because of dismal participation.

By: rdsii64

rdsii64 — Sun, 29 Apr 2018 09:23:57 +0000

I think I like this idea. I think it needs a lot more planning but I like the idea. An example is I think there needs a tighter caliber restriction. Instead of all calibers from 223 to 308, I think it needs to be restricted to only 223 and 308. I also think that ammo that does not fit in the magazine should not be allowed. I think muzzle brakes should be banned. I also think and overt effort to welcome suppressors should be made. Its a work in progress but I like the idea.

By: Olin Coles

Olin Coles — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 22:02:38 +0000

After reading the provisional rules one more time, I don’t think this event is ready for prime time unless they narrow the playing field. To begin with, they allow all cartridges between .223 Rem and .308 Win, giving a big advantage to anybody using bullets with a BC better than what .223 offers. Also, while they require that a magazine be installed, they do appear to follow Service Rifle rules that allow a ramp for single shot loading.

Overall, I’m not impressed with their attempt to generate a new format. They should have restricted the event to magazine-fed .223 AR-s to level the playing field.

By: Rlawless

Rlawless — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 11:22:16 +0000

I think this new Mid-Range Match will bring a lot of guns out of the closets.. Not sure there will be a big difference between calibers at mid-range. Applying fundamentals, able to read the wind and dealing with the elements will determine who can and cannot use there shooting equipment. I have not shot high-power rifle competition since going rifle and pistol distinguished in the mid-90s and I’m thinking this will get my bad eyes back onto the range for some fun. Excited!

By: Matt

Matt — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 02:19:30 +0000

I’ve smoked many a 6mm AR ‘space gun’ with my ‘little’ .223 service rifle. At these ranges, and on the sling targets, it’s not that crazy of an advantage. It’ll still be the person who can read the wind and not move while pressing the trigger.
The AR10 guys will be working on recoil management so much that they probably won’t notice that they’re not even in the competition. (Kinda like a guy I saw in a palma match shooting a 300 RUM….. )

By: Grant

Grant — Tue, 09 Feb 2016 03:57:32 +0000

Anyone that has been around much recognizes that a hot-stepping 6mm or 6.5mm or 7mm cartridge in an AR10 platform will smoke a 223/556 at any distance. Those calibers are allowed per the current rules.

The issue is that allowing these calibers gives a distinct ballistic disadvantage against the FAR larger group that NRA really needs to target, the 223/556 AR15 shooters. Their numbers are infinitely greater and getting them to the range was the point of the exercise.

By: Mike

Mike — Mon, 08 Feb 2016 22:30:11 +0000

A lot of folks here seem to think the larger caliberslike .308 with higher BC bullets will smoke the .223 at 500-600 yards. In this platform a 308 with a 168 has no real advantage over a .223 with a 75-77 gr. loaded to mag length. AS far as supressors goes the rules are the rules.

By: Grant

Grant — Mon, 08 Feb 2016 20:45:53 +0000

The initial recommendation (12.14.2014) was for .223 ONLY and it was because there are infinitely more 223’s laying around than other calibers (all which have higher BC bullets to smoke a 223). But, at least somebody on the HP Committee gave this a fair shot and made it happen (that would be HJ Walt Walter).

By: Dennis Santiago

Dennis Santiago — Mon, 08 Feb 2016 18:36:10 +0000

On things screwed onto the nose of a “crossover” rifle, at the club level, those all look like flash hiders to me. More important to welcome anyone that wants to try. If they get serious and start to win, they’ll adjust to the rulebook soon enough. Just saying.

By: Dtubb

Dtubb — Sun, 07 Feb 2016 15:16:12 +0000

Ditto on the suppressor usage..