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	<title>Comments on: Are Polymer-Copper Matrix Bullets the Future for Pistol Ammo?</title>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2023 00:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will these ever be probably  superior for self defense purposes , as in lead hollow point s  or are they intended as a range tool ?  ?Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will these ever be probably  superior for self defense purposes , as in lead hollow point s  or are they intended as a range tool ?  ?Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: einea ruud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[einea ruud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2016 03:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[where can I buy the copper-polymer bullets ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where can I buy the copper-polymer bullets ?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2016 14:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonder how much MORE this ammo will cost?  I&#039;ll stick with what isn&#039;t broken and doesn&#039;t need to be fixed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder how much MORE this ammo will cost?  I&#8217;ll stick with what isn&#8217;t broken and doesn&#8217;t need to be fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2016 13:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The cost will be the driving factor to grab market share.  If Ruger thinks a  slick marketing campaign, a few gun mag articles and a fancy box are all that are required to mainstream this product they will be sadly disappointed.  

When professional shooters begin to win with it and when the consumer at median wage can afford to choose between projectiles then it has a chance at being the future. Till then its just another shiny object to most.

Editor: These bullets were developed before Ruger, and there are versions of Polymer-Copper Matrix bullets with conventional conical shapes. I have loaded just about every kind of pistol bullet you can name, and shot lots of matches with steel plates. I can tell you, I&#039;d much rather handle these than lead bullets and I would much rather have these impacting close-range steel than jacketed bullets. Bottom line, as far as I&#039;m concerned, these bullets offer a lot of benefits for training and gun games. I&#039;m not so convinced they are as good or better than conventional bullets for self-defense purposes... but so what? Over the last decade I&#039;ve probably shot 50,000 pistol rounds... and not one was intended to kill. The overwhelming majority of pistol bullets are shot in training, for fun plinking, or in gun games such as IDPA and Cowboy action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cost will be the driving factor to grab market share.  If Ruger thinks a  slick marketing campaign, a few gun mag articles and a fancy box are all that are required to mainstream this product they will be sadly disappointed.  </p>
<p>When professional shooters begin to win with it and when the consumer at median wage can afford to choose between projectiles then it has a chance at being the future. Till then its just another shiny object to most.</p>
<p>Editor: These bullets were developed before Ruger, and there are versions of Polymer-Copper Matrix bullets with conventional conical shapes. I have loaded just about every kind of pistol bullet you can name, and shot lots of matches with steel plates. I can tell you, I&#8217;d much rather handle these than lead bullets and I would much rather have these impacting close-range steel than jacketed bullets. Bottom line, as far as I&#8217;m concerned, these bullets offer a lot of benefits for training and gun games. I&#8217;m not so convinced they are as good or better than conventional bullets for self-defense purposes&#8230; but so what? Over the last decade I&#8217;ve probably shot 50,000 pistol rounds&#8230; and not one was intended to kill. The overwhelming majority of pistol bullets are shot in training, for fun plinking, or in gun games such as IDPA and Cowboy action.</p>
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		<title>By: mike casselton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mike casselton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2016 11:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spencer, 
The two major problems with offering the projectiles for reloading are this:
To get a bullet that performs and is shaped like a 115gr in 9mm, it must weigh 85-90grs.
If it were made at 115grs, the length would be nearly identical to a 154gr.

Secondly, the bullets are designed to break apart at impact. This means conventional roll crimp dies would break the nose of the bullet right at the case mouth. They must be taper crimped and to the proper amount to stress the bullet but not fracture it. 

Add these two factors together and we generate a new set of problems for the reloader.
I realize people have been loading Barnes bullets for decades and they have a much longer bearing surface. This is different. 
We don&#039;t want the 90gr bullet loaded into Joe&#039;s 380 at max pressure for 90&#039;s. Big problems. 
Learning to properly crimp, well a smart guy could figure it out, but bullets get wasted doing so. It&#039;s actually kind of comical how we used to test ours to see if the crimp was correct...

If the components became available, reloaders would need to take a small step back and learn a few different things. Powders and primers that work BEST with these bullets are also slightly different.

One other thing not pointed out in the article is this. If the only type of bullet used at these indoor ranges are copper frangible, then the entire amount shot is recyclable. Sweep it up, put it in a barrel and make new bullets out of it. 
Or, .. sell it as scrap copper.

Editor: Mike wrote: &quot;Secondly, the bullets are designed to break apart at impact. This means conventional roll crimp dies would break the nose of the bullet right at the case mouth. They must be taper crimped and to the proper amount to stress the bullet but not fracture it&quot;. I&#039;m not convinced this is true at all. These are not soft like gum drops or really brittle like hard plastic. I think most of the negatives discussed relating to these matrix bullets are offered by people who have never touched them, loaded them, or shot them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spencer,<br />
The two major problems with offering the projectiles for reloading are this:<br />
To get a bullet that performs and is shaped like a 115gr in 9mm, it must weigh 85-90grs.<br />
If it were made at 115grs, the length would be nearly identical to a 154gr.</p>
<p>Secondly, the bullets are designed to break apart at impact. This means conventional roll crimp dies would break the nose of the bullet right at the case mouth. They must be taper crimped and to the proper amount to stress the bullet but not fracture it. </p>
<p>Add these two factors together and we generate a new set of problems for the reloader.<br />
I realize people have been loading Barnes bullets for decades and they have a much longer bearing surface. This is different.<br />
We don&#8217;t want the 90gr bullet loaded into Joe&#8217;s 380 at max pressure for 90&#8217;s. Big problems.<br />
Learning to properly crimp, well a smart guy could figure it out, but bullets get wasted doing so. It&#8217;s actually kind of comical how we used to test ours to see if the crimp was correct&#8230;</p>
<p>If the components became available, reloaders would need to take a small step back and learn a few different things. Powders and primers that work BEST with these bullets are also slightly different.</p>
<p>One other thing not pointed out in the article is this. If the only type of bullet used at these indoor ranges are copper frangible, then the entire amount shot is recyclable. Sweep it up, put it in a barrel and make new bullets out of it.<br />
Or, .. sell it as scrap copper.</p>
<p>Editor: Mike wrote: &#8220;Secondly, the bullets are designed to break apart at impact. This means conventional roll crimp dies would break the nose of the bullet right at the case mouth. They must be taper crimped and to the proper amount to stress the bullet but not fracture it&#8221;. I&#8217;m not convinced this is true at all. These are not soft like gum drops or really brittle like hard plastic. I think most of the negatives discussed relating to these matrix bullets are offered by people who have never touched them, loaded them, or shot them.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2016 08:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Further to FightFireJay,

Faster and lighter bullets for calibre (aka low density) and a poor ballistic shape means these bullets will have a very high level of drag, slowing them down rapidly. None of their marketing media seems to show velocity over distance.

Also, once a subsonic, the flutes will more than likely spin up or spin down the projectile. A similar fluting technology is used to deliberately destabilise training projectiles, limiting their range.

Whether this is a problem at the ranges pistols are normally used at, 0-25 yards, is another matter entirely.

Neil]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to FightFireJay,</p>
<p>Faster and lighter bullets for calibre (aka low density) and a poor ballistic shape means these bullets will have a very high level of drag, slowing them down rapidly. None of their marketing media seems to show velocity over distance.</p>
<p>Also, once a subsonic, the flutes will more than likely spin up or spin down the projectile. A similar fluting technology is used to deliberately destabilise training projectiles, limiting their range.</p>
<p>Whether this is a problem at the ranges pistols are normally used at, 0-25 yards, is another matter entirely.</p>
<p>Neil</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spencer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2016 15:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The loaded defensive ammo will have to be around for a while before I would trust it. 
I&#039;d like to see them offer the projectile for sale. For USPSA type shooting it might be a good alternative to coated lead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The loaded defensive ammo will have to be around for a while before I would trust it.<br />
I&#8217;d like to see them offer the projectile for sale. For USPSA type shooting it might be a good alternative to coated lead.</p>
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		<title>By: FightFireJay</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FightFireJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;2. the bullets are lighter and therefore faster than conventional projectiles;&quot;

How, exactly, is this a benefit over conventional ammo when shooting at 25 yards or less?

Editor: Fair point... but not all pistol work (even plinking) is &quot;at 25 yards or less&quot;. We regularly shoot steel at fifty yards for fun and challenge, and it&#039;s fun to hit a gong at 100.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;2. the bullets are lighter and therefore faster than conventional projectiles;&#8221;</p>
<p>How, exactly, is this a benefit over conventional ammo when shooting at 25 yards or less?</p>
<p>Editor: Fair point&#8230; but not all pistol work (even plinking) is &#8220;at 25 yards or less&#8221;. We regularly shoot steel at fifty yards for fun and challenge, and it&#8217;s fun to hit a gong at 100.</p>
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		<title>By: rr2030</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rr2030]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2016 00:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[115 gr X 1307 fps yeilds  a power factor of 150, shy of the 165 required for CDP in IDPA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>115 gr X 1307 fps yeilds  a power factor of 150, shy of the 165 required for CDP in IDPA.</p>
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