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	<title>Comments on: New 33 Nosler Rivals .338 Lapua Magnum in Smaller Package</title>
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		<title>By: Lorne S</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorne S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2024 10:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a 338 Blaser Mag and due to ammo availability in Canada was considering to re chamber to a 33 Nosler. Blaser K95. It used the same 404 Jefferey case. The author never mentions the 338 Blaser Mag from Europe]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a 338 Blaser Mag and due to ammo availability in Canada was considering to re chamber to a 33 Nosler. Blaser K95. It used the same 404 Jefferey case. The author never mentions the 338 Blaser Mag from Europe</p>
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		<title>By: Laskowd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laskowd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2024 03:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All three shot well out of the box. The Nosler was built with the intention of taking a beating.  Reloading all with complete accuracy I I find the Nosler to feel tighter. Allan three can reach out there.  Using the same variables for each the Nosler and Lapua are tight.  After 300 rounds out of each the Nosler just feels right. It’s tight and I feel can take a beating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All three shot well out of the box. The Nosler was built with the intention of taking a beating.  Reloading all with complete accuracy I I find the Nosler to feel tighter. Allan three can reach out there.  Using the same variables for each the Nosler and Lapua are tight.  After 300 rounds out of each the Nosler just feels right. It’s tight and I feel can take a beating.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon T.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon T.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, where is the evidence/authority for requiring barrel set back for 338WM conversion to 33 Nosler? Thanks for any information. Great comments, thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, where is the evidence/authority for requiring barrel set back for 338WM conversion to 33 Nosler? Thanks for any information. Great comments, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2021 20:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would also suggest that if you already have a working and accurate 300WM like I do you look at 208gr, 220gr, 230gr, and 250gr VLD/ELD bullets. They are viable. Mark and Sam After Work on YouTube have demonstrated this at don&#039;t quote me but something like 3600 meters. I think they were shooting a 250gr. out of a 300WM. 

Depending on what rifle your conventional belted magnum is built on a throater may be all you need to make the switch to big heavy long ELD&#039;s.

Let&#039;s face it New Remington&#039;s are scarce as hens teeth right now. Ruger and Savage have some of the shortest SA and LA especialy in the factory magazine space. 

No one wants to hear what actions I use and why. It solves most of these issues on the cheap and what chamberings you want to make conversion almost a basement affair!

Their are also some European companies and custom action companies that make intermediate length actions. For what they want currently for bare Savage or Remington Actions $876 last I checked it is almost silly to buy one of those actions currently better off buying a rifle already chambered in what you want or go the custom route as of right now in Covid-19 price insanity! Also almost all of them were short action which I would never use for many of the problem child &quot;short action&quot; modern cartridges with or with out a magnum bolt face. 

Absolutely no way would I pay $800+ for a bone stock Remington or Savage action than pay someone to convert it and buy the extra parts needed as well.   

This whole COAL issue and short actions is not a secret. 

If you want to run with the big dogs and shoot heavy ELDs and any future bullets just say no to short actions and custom builds. Unless you plan on shooting something very specific with no VLD/ELD choices like the 30BR an you know you will always be shooting the same light bullet for caliper you always want more action length than you need! This is to future proof your expensive custom machined, custom barreled rifle. So that 2-3 years latter when bullet makers dream up a new heavier longer bullet you have space to load it and shoot it. This way the most you need is to throat your existing barrel or rebarrel.

EDITOR: Yes use a long action for a long cartridge. But 95% of shooters, including most F-TR competitors, can get by with a short action. And the bolt travel will be shorter. Unless someone told us they were building an ELR Rifle or a Dangerous Game rifle, we would steer them to a short action. The poster is correct about price -- you may be better off purchasing a complete Savage, Tikka, or Remington rather than paying a high price for a bare action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also suggest that if you already have a working and accurate 300WM like I do you look at 208gr, 220gr, 230gr, and 250gr VLD/ELD bullets. They are viable. Mark and Sam After Work on YouTube have demonstrated this at don&#8217;t quote me but something like 3600 meters. I think they were shooting a 250gr. out of a 300WM. </p>
<p>Depending on what rifle your conventional belted magnum is built on a throater may be all you need to make the switch to big heavy long ELD&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it New Remington&#8217;s are scarce as hens teeth right now. Ruger and Savage have some of the shortest SA and LA especialy in the factory magazine space. </p>
<p>No one wants to hear what actions I use and why. It solves most of these issues on the cheap and what chamberings you want to make conversion almost a basement affair!</p>
<p>Their are also some European companies and custom action companies that make intermediate length actions. For what they want currently for bare Savage or Remington Actions $876 last I checked it is almost silly to buy one of those actions currently better off buying a rifle already chambered in what you want or go the custom route as of right now in Covid-19 price insanity! Also almost all of them were short action which I would never use for many of the problem child &#8220;short action&#8221; modern cartridges with or with out a magnum bolt face. </p>
<p>Absolutely no way would I pay $800+ for a bone stock Remington or Savage action than pay someone to convert it and buy the extra parts needed as well.   </p>
<p>This whole COAL issue and short actions is not a secret. </p>
<p>If you want to run with the big dogs and shoot heavy ELDs and any future bullets just say no to short actions and custom builds. Unless you plan on shooting something very specific with no VLD/ELD choices like the 30BR an you know you will always be shooting the same light bullet for caliper you always want more action length than you need! This is to future proof your expensive custom machined, custom barreled rifle. So that 2-3 years latter when bullet makers dream up a new heavier longer bullet you have space to load it and shoot it. This way the most you need is to throat your existing barrel or rebarrel.</p>
<p>EDITOR: Yes use a long action for a long cartridge. But 95% of shooters, including most F-TR competitors, can get by with a short action. And the bolt travel will be shorter. Unless someone told us they were building an ELR Rifle or a Dangerous Game rifle, we would steer them to a short action. The poster is correct about price &#8212; you may be better off purchasing a complete Savage, Tikka, or Remington rather than paying a high price for a bare action.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Lee</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2021 17:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is the 33 M48 a good all round rifle for places like Utah Alaska and Africa . Have and old rem mod 700 280 just do not think its enough what do think.  Thanks Thomas Lee Cedar Hills  Utah.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the 33 M48 a good all round rifle for places like Utah Alaska and Africa . Have and old rem mod 700 280 just do not think its enough what do think.  Thanks Thomas Lee Cedar Hills  Utah.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kurt Cooper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2020 06:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would expect the Nosler 30 @ 210g accubond is not a good enough reason to throw away even a.300wm. I love marketing &amp; I&#039;ve quickly realized what NOSLER is doing. They received pretty good feedback when comparing med game bullets just under the magnums. The 26 &amp; 28 seem to have had fairly good success. However, the marketing is the cartridges by which they have designed to shoot best &amp; then compare to basic shelf purchased ammo on your other rifles. NOSLER has proven a noticeable level of accuracy with there custom cartridge designs for the 26 &amp; 28. And I believe in there excitement they reached to the stars but, the time tested &amp; proven magnums are not @ all threatened. Build the 33 NOSLER to exceed either 338mag &quot;by&quot; 300fps/500fsp @ 800 yds &amp; I&#039;m all ears. Just as soon as it&#039;s independently tested &amp; verified.

I&#039;m actually struggling to determine the next size up from my 270W bolt action. Was looking @ 308 but I believe only a specific condition with 2 types of cartridges &amp; loads will I appreciate any difference. I have the .243W &amp; 270W &amp; 7mm. Looking @ 300wm/338&#039;s/NOSLER 30/33.
NOSLER 30 is the front runner since I will not be going to Africa in the near future. Just want the option to use different  grain say 210+ if needed yet 168gr cartridges to kill a white tail deer &amp; a big elk with just a cartridge switch &amp; not a chamber or carry two guns. Specifically, 750yd &amp; carry the rifle, NOSLER 30 fits this space with my limited education. I keep coming back to .300 WM as next &amp; just use NOSLER cartridges.
If I spend money to hunt @ 2,000 acreage  ranch I want to just change out the cartridge &amp; not carry two guns or two different barrels. What&#039;s practical for my interests &amp; why? Thanks much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would expect the Nosler 30 @ 210g accubond is not a good enough reason to throw away even a.300wm. I love marketing &amp; I&#8217;ve quickly realized what NOSLER is doing. They received pretty good feedback when comparing med game bullets just under the magnums. The 26 &amp; 28 seem to have had fairly good success. However, the marketing is the cartridges by which they have designed to shoot best &amp; then compare to basic shelf purchased ammo on your other rifles. NOSLER has proven a noticeable level of accuracy with there custom cartridge designs for the 26 &amp; 28. And I believe in there excitement they reached to the stars but, the time tested &amp; proven magnums are not @ all threatened. Build the 33 NOSLER to exceed either 338mag &#8220;by&#8221; 300fps/500fsp @ 800 yds &amp; I&#8217;m all ears. Just as soon as it&#8217;s independently tested &amp; verified.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually struggling to determine the next size up from my 270W bolt action. Was looking @ 308 but I believe only a specific condition with 2 types of cartridges &amp; loads will I appreciate any difference. I have the .243W &amp; 270W &amp; 7mm. Looking @ 300wm/338&#8217;s/NOSLER 30/33.<br />
NOSLER 30 is the front runner since I will not be going to Africa in the near future. Just want the option to use different  grain say 210+ if needed yet 168gr cartridges to kill a white tail deer &amp; a big elk with just a cartridge switch &amp; not a chamber or carry two guns. Specifically, 750yd &amp; carry the rifle, NOSLER 30 fits this space with my limited education. I keep coming back to .300 WM as next &amp; just use NOSLER cartridges.<br />
If I spend money to hunt @ 2,000 acreage  ranch I want to just change out the cartridge &amp; not carry two guns or two different barrels. What&#8217;s practical for my interests &amp; why? Thanks much.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2019 06:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Nosler .33 is only faster than the 338LM with certain weights like the light weight 225gr. bullet. They are doing the same sort of misleading very careful marketing spin that you see with the 6.5CM and the 300 Win Mag comparisons. They are not lying they are just not representing the cartridges strengths and weaknesses accurately and they are doing it on purpose. They want the customer to fill in the blanks in a manner that is not accurate. Call it clever marketing, spin or a lie of omission? It is a great cartridge but it is not really what they are trying to make it sound like. The fact that it outperforms the 338WM in the same length action should be enough but they have a complex and need to try to sell it as real competition for the 338LM and Norma Magnum line and that is just not what it is. In this day and age why would anyone want to shoot a 225gr. bullet in a .338 bore? I can shoot that in a 30-06 and 196gr to 200gr in an 8mmx57 Mauser. If it is not at least 250gr. or heavier why bother going to .338 diameter? A 225gr. bullet in any .338 Magnum is as stupid as a 150gr. bullet in any .300 Magnum. If it does not do something significantly better or solve a problem it normally will not have staying power. If you ignore SAAMI look at what can be done with heavy loads in 300 Win Mag!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nosler .33 is only faster than the 338LM with certain weights like the light weight 225gr. bullet. They are doing the same sort of misleading very careful marketing spin that you see with the 6.5CM and the 300 Win Mag comparisons. They are not lying they are just not representing the cartridges strengths and weaknesses accurately and they are doing it on purpose. They want the customer to fill in the blanks in a manner that is not accurate. Call it clever marketing, spin or a lie of omission? It is a great cartridge but it is not really what they are trying to make it sound like. The fact that it outperforms the 338WM in the same length action should be enough but they have a complex and need to try to sell it as real competition for the 338LM and Norma Magnum line and that is just not what it is. In this day and age why would anyone want to shoot a 225gr. bullet in a .338 bore? I can shoot that in a 30-06 and 196gr to 200gr in an 8mmx57 Mauser. If it is not at least 250gr. or heavier why bother going to .338 diameter? A 225gr. bullet in any .338 Magnum is as stupid as a 150gr. bullet in any .300 Magnum. If it does not do something significantly better or solve a problem it normally will not have staying power. If you ignore SAAMI look at what can be done with heavy loads in 300 Win Mag!!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2019 02:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 33 Nosler is exactly in the middle of the 338 win mag and 338 lapua mag. Period. There&#039;s no BS ing real shooters that shoot and research this subject. Smoking mirrors don&#039;t work with informed shooters. It&#039;s a great round but not the greatest. Nosler has done to the Nosler cartridges what Hornady has done to the Creedmoor...hyped it up beyond it&#039;s actual potential.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 33 Nosler is exactly in the middle of the 338 win mag and 338 lapua mag. Period. There&#8217;s no BS ing real shooters that shoot and research this subject. Smoking mirrors don&#8217;t work with informed shooters. It&#8217;s a great round but not the greatest. Nosler has done to the Nosler cartridges what Hornady has done to the Creedmoor&#8230;hyped it up beyond it&#8217;s actual potential.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t heard anyone comment on the 338 Edge or the 338 Edge +P. They are easily in the same class with the Lapua or Norma. In fact a stock 338 RUM unmodified is in that class. The brass is substantially cheaper and does not need a 416 Rigby bolt face which is too large for most reasonably priced actions to accommodate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t heard anyone comment on the 338 Edge or the 338 Edge +P. They are easily in the same class with the Lapua or Norma. In fact a stock 338 RUM unmodified is in that class. The brass is substantially cheaper and does not need a 416 Rigby bolt face which is too large for most reasonably priced actions to accommodate.</p>
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		<title>By: 338Rules</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2018 09:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone got an update on the 33 ?

Seems to have gone quiet.  I thought this would be a great cartridge for rechambering an M70 338 Win mag to, but see it requires setback.
Probably better to just rebarrel. 
Definitely wanting CRF for this caliber in a LR hunting format though. 

Thoughts, Experience, Updates ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone got an update on the 33 ?</p>
<p>Seems to have gone quiet.  I thought this would be a great cartridge for rechambering an M70 338 Win mag to, but see it requires setback.<br />
Probably better to just rebarrel.<br />
Definitely wanting CRF for this caliber in a LR hunting format though. </p>
<p>Thoughts, Experience, Updates ?</p>
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