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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2020 00:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Relax people, no one wants to visit this site and read drama in the comments. People should be able to have an open dialogue. 

Blocking email and IP is a petty thing to do and doesn’t prevent someone from commenting on this forum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relax people, no one wants to visit this site and read drama in the comments. People should be able to have an open dialogue. </p>
<p>Blocking email and IP is a petty thing to do and doesn’t prevent someone from commenting on this forum.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2019 21:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Editor: A user below claimed that muzzle brakes reduced sound levels. That&#039;s totally INCORRECT and FALSE. And tests prove it. In 2015, the Precision Rifle Blog tested sound levels with two lab-grade sound meters -- one slightly to rear of shooter, the other to the side of the muzzle. Control was rifle with bare muzzle -- no brake. Then sound levels were recorded with 17 different muzzle brakes. The difference was dramatic! Sound levels at the rear sound meter position were up to 14 dB louder, with the average around +10 dB! Sound levels from the front position were up to 4 dB louder, about 3 dB on average.

PRB MUZZLE BRAKE Sound TEST: https://bit.ly/2LcYf1H

So the brakes INCREASED noise levels hugely. The dB Scale is actually logarithmic, so the true sound level perceived by the shooter is much greater. Cal Zant, PRB editor, did a conversion of the dB increase to actual perceived loudness, using an accepted scientific formula (see below). For the rear position, increased sound loudness levels were 41% to 162% greater, with the average about +110%, i.e. more than TWICE as LOUD.

You will see these PRB results HERE: https://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/08/07/muzzle-brakes-sound-test/

Decibel Increases for 17 Muzzle Brakes: https://bit.ly/2J2ZQ7y

Actual Perceived Loudness level chart HERE: https://bit.ly/2LdBY3L

Formula for actual perceived increased Loudness (from dB increase) HERE: http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-loudness.htm

Sound Meters were military-approved Bruel &amp; Kjaer 2209 Impulse Precision Sound Level Meters.

We list this information above, because the comments by John are not only completely misinformed, arrogant, and wrong, but they are also dangerous. We see this kind of thing all the time -- where an arrogant and misinformed self-proclaimed expert talks nonsense. It is doubly ironic that John asserts that &quot;the idea of a muzzle break [sic] increasing the volume of a muzzle blast/report is false and is a good example of people spreading bad information with no real science to back up the claim.&quot; In fact, it is John who is totally, completely wrong. And the REAL SCIENCE, done by the PRB, proves John is the one who is absolutely wrong, as wrong as can be.

FWIW, we have logged John&#039;s email address and IP and he will be banned from commenting on this site ever again. Lesson to readers: If you want to call other people out, you better get your facts straight.

---------------- FALSE READER COMMENT -----------------

John claims:
&quot;For the record muzzle breaks do not increase the db or spl of the muzzle report. It changes the freq. and can alter the directional slightly but it actually lowers the db and spl. If people used an empirical measuring tool and did not parrot bad info this would not be so controversial. Human hearing is a terrible tool when it comes to judging the spl or db of a sound. If a pitch is increased from a low note to a much higher note but adjusted to keep the intensity of the sound the same people will perceive the increase in pitch as an increase in volume. The reverse is also true. We hear with our brains more than with the ear as it is so it is not hard to fool human hearing. So the idea of a muzzle break increasing the volume of a muzzle blast/report is false and is a good example of people spreading bad information with no real science to back up the claim. Perception of an increase in volume is not the same as an actual increase in volume.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Editor: A user below claimed that muzzle brakes reduced sound levels. That&#8217;s totally INCORRECT and FALSE. And tests prove it. In 2015, the Precision Rifle Blog tested sound levels with two lab-grade sound meters &#8212; one slightly to rear of shooter, the other to the side of the muzzle. Control was rifle with bare muzzle &#8212; no brake. Then sound levels were recorded with 17 different muzzle brakes. The difference was dramatic! Sound levels at the rear sound meter position were up to 14 dB louder, with the average around +10 dB! Sound levels from the front position were up to 4 dB louder, about 3 dB on average.</p>
<p>PRB MUZZLE BRAKE Sound TEST: <a href="https://bit.ly/2LcYf1H" rel="nofollow">https://bit.ly/2LcYf1H</a></p>
<p>So the brakes INCREASED noise levels hugely. The dB Scale is actually logarithmic, so the true sound level perceived by the shooter is much greater. Cal Zant, PRB editor, did a conversion of the dB increase to actual perceived loudness, using an accepted scientific formula (see below). For the rear position, increased sound loudness levels were 41% to 162% greater, with the average about +110%, i.e. more than TWICE as LOUD.</p>
<p>You will see these PRB results HERE: <a href="https://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/08/07/muzzle-brakes-sound-test/" rel="nofollow">https://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/08/07/muzzle-brakes-sound-test/</a></p>
<p>Decibel Increases for 17 Muzzle Brakes: <a href="https://bit.ly/2J2ZQ7y" rel="nofollow">https://bit.ly/2J2ZQ7y</a></p>
<p>Actual Perceived Loudness level chart HERE: <a href="https://bit.ly/2LdBY3L" rel="nofollow">https://bit.ly/2LdBY3L</a></p>
<p>Formula for actual perceived increased Loudness (from dB increase) HERE: <a href="http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-loudness.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-loudness.htm</a></p>
<p>Sound Meters were military-approved Bruel &#038; Kjaer 2209 Impulse Precision Sound Level Meters.</p>
<p>We list this information above, because the comments by John are not only completely misinformed, arrogant, and wrong, but they are also dangerous. We see this kind of thing all the time &#8212; where an arrogant and misinformed self-proclaimed expert talks nonsense. It is doubly ironic that John asserts that &#8220;the idea of a muzzle break [sic] increasing the volume of a muzzle blast/report is false and is a good example of people spreading bad information with no real science to back up the claim.&#8221; In fact, it is John who is totally, completely wrong. And the REAL SCIENCE, done by the PRB, proves John is the one who is absolutely wrong, as wrong as can be.</p>
<p>FWIW, we have logged John&#8217;s email address and IP and he will be banned from commenting on this site ever again. Lesson to readers: If you want to call other people out, you better get your facts straight.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- FALSE READER COMMENT &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>John claims:<br />
&#8220;For the record muzzle breaks do not increase the db or spl of the muzzle report. It changes the freq. and can alter the directional slightly but it actually lowers the db and spl. If people used an empirical measuring tool and did not parrot bad info this would not be so controversial. Human hearing is a terrible tool when it comes to judging the spl or db of a sound. If a pitch is increased from a low note to a much higher note but adjusted to keep the intensity of the sound the same people will perceive the increase in pitch as an increase in volume. The reverse is also true. We hear with our brains more than with the ear as it is so it is not hard to fool human hearing. So the idea of a muzzle break increasing the volume of a muzzle blast/report is false and is a good example of people spreading bad information with no real science to back up the claim. Perception of an increase in volume is not the same as an actual increase in volume.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure why the NRA bans silencers in competition.  It seems to me that the NRA recognized that brakes significantly raised the report and side blast to the fellow shooters on the line.  This truth can&#039;t be disputed. Then someone pointed out that silencers reduce recoil too, so they banned them as well just to avoid the appearance of picking on brakes.  But silencers raise no safety concerns I&#039;m aware of.  If a shooter will accept the added weight and cost to help his neighbor, what&#039;s wrong with that.

Editor: There are a variety of reasons, one simply being &quot;ain&#039;t been done before&quot;. Other important factors expressed to us include: 1) The expense of suppressor (and tax stamp) would a significant cost to a match rifle (which is already expensive); 2) Suppressors are not legal in all states, so that would require match rule variations in different jurisdictions; 3) If suppressors proved to bestow a competitive advantage, this would create yet another &quot;hardware race&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure why the NRA bans silencers in competition.  It seems to me that the NRA recognized that brakes significantly raised the report and side blast to the fellow shooters on the line.  This truth can&#8217;t be disputed. Then someone pointed out that silencers reduce recoil too, so they banned them as well just to avoid the appearance of picking on brakes.  But silencers raise no safety concerns I&#8217;m aware of.  If a shooter will accept the added weight and cost to help his neighbor, what&#8217;s wrong with that.</p>
<p>Editor: There are a variety of reasons, one simply being &#8220;ain&#8217;t been done before&#8221;. Other important factors expressed to us include: 1) The expense of suppressor (and tax stamp) would a significant cost to a match rifle (which is already expensive); 2) Suppressors are not legal in all states, so that would require match rule variations in different jurisdictions; 3) If suppressors proved to bestow a competitive advantage, this would create yet another &#8220;hardware race&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Nate . All of your salient points were very well stated , and I couldn&#039;t agree more .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Nate . All of your salient points were very well stated , and I couldn&#8217;t agree more .</p>
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		<title>By: Guy4064</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guy4064]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nate, I never said they were illegal for PRS, they are for NRA. And for good reason. They are a hazard on the line. Nobody likes them. I hardly think the rule is killing NRA Highpower]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate, I never said they were illegal for PRS, they are for NRA. And for good reason. They are a hazard on the line. Nobody likes them. I hardly think the rule is killing NRA Highpower</p>
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		<title>By: Jim See</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim See]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brandon is a heck of a shooter and a all around great guy to shoot with at a PRS style match. I have always enjoyed shooting in the same squad. Tate Streeter builds the Impact actions and they are excellent, running one myself. Tate is also a top 10 shooter in the PRS and knows what it takes to make a great action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon is a heck of a shooter and a all around great guy to shoot with at a PRS style match. I have always enjoyed shooting in the same squad. Tate Streeter builds the Impact actions and they are excellent, running one myself. Tate is also a top 10 shooter in the PRS and knows what it takes to make a great action.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guy4064, I hope you are here and read Tom&#039;s response.

You are living in a self-righteous bubble if you think brakes should be disallowed everywhere and that brakes are only for guys shooting &#039;...to  big a caliber.&#039; (sic) 

Even the lowly .300 WM is &quot;wearing&quot; on a shooter. Except in very heavy rifles, cartridges north of .30-06 recoil need a brake and/or can to be accessible to most shooters, and I&#039;m not even getting into the other reasons to brake a rifle.   

It is your kind of thought pattern that is killing NRA Highpower, and what makes it, and clubs like yourselves, so da^%ed unapproachable that people just won&#039;t.

We&#039;ve made our own bed for the last ? decades, and sure enough, people will find a different way---and NEW set of rules---to enjoy long range shooting.

PRS is one of those, and I can&#039;t say I blame them.

-Nate]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy4064, I hope you are here and read Tom&#8217;s response.</p>
<p>You are living in a self-righteous bubble if you think brakes should be disallowed everywhere and that brakes are only for guys shooting &#8216;&#8230;to  big a caliber.&#8217; (sic) </p>
<p>Even the lowly .300 WM is &#8220;wearing&#8221; on a shooter. Except in very heavy rifles, cartridges north of .30-06 recoil need a brake and/or can to be accessible to most shooters, and I&#8217;m not even getting into the other reasons to brake a rifle.   </p>
<p>It is your kind of thought pattern that is killing NRA Highpower, and what makes it, and clubs like yourselves, so da^%ed unapproachable that people just won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve made our own bed for the last ? decades, and sure enough, people will find a different way&#8212;and NEW set of rules&#8212;to enjoy long range shooting.</p>
<p>PRS is one of those, and I can&#8217;t say I blame them.</p>
<p>-Nate</p>
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		<title>By: SRM</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SRM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2017 00:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Need a color variety.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Need a color variety.</p>
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		<title>By: SRM</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SRM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2017 23:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Made an assortment of copper boppers with handles made of the stock material.  Neat stuff to work and has a nice feel. I&#039;m game for one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Made an assortment of copper boppers with handles made of the stock material.  Neat stuff to work and has a nice feel. I&#8217;m game for one.</p>
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		<title>By: js</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[js]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2017 21:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice rigs.
But the key to shooting like Brandon Green is being Brandon Green.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice rigs.<br />
But the key to shooting like Brandon Green is being Brandon Green.</p>
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