Comments on: After 37 Shots — Claimed ‘World Record’ 5000-Yard Hit

By: Jay Doernberg

Jay Doernberg — Sat, 28 Sep 2019 00:15:15 +0000

Charlie Melton never hit his intended target at 5000 yards with Brad Stair’s rifle. And Brad Stair never hit his intended target at 4000 yards with a factory Riter and Stark rifle. I built the 1 moa targets for the shoot and witnessed the entire event. Brad Stair lied and took credit for a failed attempt.

By: George Fournier

George Fournier — Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:11:14 +0000

So many factors come into play at 5000 yds. Hitting your intended target at that distance is not easy and regardless of the shots taken is an accomplishment. I would like to do that and may try it one day just for fun. In so far as world record go I think there has to be a set of rules that must be adhered to and verified to claim a world record. Probably should be caliber specific at the very least. Simply increasing the caliber and MV and clamming a world record is not enough. It does not spur bullet development well. Rules matter. One can see that in ELR competitions where guys with 338s can handily beat guys with 416s.

By: Richard

Richard — Sat, 28 Oct 2017 20:15:43 +0000

I’ve read the source material that ELR Researcher has pointed out and, while it is poorly written, it tells a different story to this article.

Again Editor, for the sake of your ethics, and to avoid accusations of fake news to spread to this well respected forum, please pull this story and re-write it. The Accurate Shooting story is the the loading technique and the shooting technique and the lessons learned by the team.

It appears they want to do it again, tell that story too.

But do not leave this article up.

By: ELR Researcher

ELR Researcher — Sat, 28 Oct 2017 17:00:34 +0000

Neither the shooter nor his website CLAIM a world record or any record whatsoever. ONLY the Guns America writer, AND by carry over WITHOUT correction, this site’s editor, “claim” a record. PLEASE fix the title and make it clear in the article that NO ONE except the Guns America writer is claiming a record of any sort. Thanks.

By: Evan

Evan — Sat, 28 Oct 2017 00:48:54 +0000

I’m saddened by the rather inflammatory nature of this article. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but a far different tone and presentation in this article would have gone a long way towards a more respectful discussion of this feat. The vitriol displayed here towards a member of our community who is pushing the boundaries of what we believe possible is disheartening.

It’s plain disrespectful to suggest that simply shooting a rifle in the direction of a target 5000yards away is in any way analogous to what this team did. If you think it is in fact apt, then I challenge you to go try it and report back how many shots it took you to get a hit.

I certainly remember my first attempts to put a bullet on steel at 1300 yards. I was lucky to have it happen 1 in 20 or 30 with the 30-06 hunting rifle I was using, but with practice and adjustments to what I was doing and how I was reloading, that 1 in 20 quickly fell to more consistent and repeatable groups.

Regardless of where you stand on the importance of this single shot, I think we can all agree that this is how our views on what is “long range” evolve and that this will progress into a more repeatable feat as we learn what it takes to do it.

By: Bill

Bill — Fri, 27 Oct 2017 21:54:58 +0000

This is the type of garbage that is denigrating to real competitive shooting from the sling. Whether smallbore or bigbore competitive shooting requires time, effort and discipline. This stunt required time and money and certainly distance. As a long time competitive shooter it is amazing how many “Shooters” claim they are taking part in “competitions” that simply require them to hit somewhere on a target. Their requirements do not involve hitting the center but instead anywhere in a defined area. You can do the same with artillery the last time I checked.

By: Richard

Richard — Fri, 27 Oct 2017 19:33:24 +0000

The video is is poorly presented. Ultra long range is the final frontier of shoulder fired rifles and these guys should have told a better story. In particular, why shots were not hitting, where the effective range ended, and where luck in the group causes the bullet to stumble into the target.

ELR Researcher is right, no records are claimed. Need to correct this story.

By: ELR Researcher

ELR Researcher — Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:35:17 +0000

There are NO established standards for an unlimited range record.

PLEASE also note that the YouTube video on the shooter’s website says “5000 Yard Shot” – NOTHING about a record! So…it appears the only folks that are using the word “record” are the article writers.

By: Kurz

Kurz — Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:16:22 +0000

When I was much younger, I got the chance to go dove hunting for the first time. I was thrilled of course but at the end of the day when we had to report in to the DNR, I found nothing but embarrassment. We were required to tell the officer:
-How many birds harvested
-How many birds lost
-How many shots fired

I answered honestly, 15 (limit), 1 lost and 101 shots fired. There was an immediate outburst of raucous laughter from the other hunters still in the shed. I hung my head in shame. The DNR officer stood up to say ‘at least he is an honest man’.

The fellas above are honest men, no doubt about it and they reported the truth as it took place. It’s our responsibility to ourselves to make up our minds as to just how to react to this information.

First of all, we gratefully acknowledge Mr. Melton’s service to his country and for we, the people. But this has nothing to do with this claim or the occasion.

When you examine other claims to establishing ELR records, you will notice a couple of things; the shooter involved receives the accolades and he usually has a business interest which suddenly booms due to the attention he receives. Look at the booming business AB is experiencing. Then realize that this shooter has a business to train individuals for long range shooting. Note his signage in one of the photos. My guess is that this will have a very positive effect on his business.

I do not demean the effort or the consequences at all, self-promotion is what can help businesses grow.

The math is what troubles me. The technical explanations are enough for me. The analogy of the hole in one is applicable. Land speed records at Bonneville require 2 back-to-back runs within a time limit to attempt to eliminate sheer luck.

Just some thoughts.

Regards.

By: Erik

Erik — Fri, 27 Oct 2017 16:00:44 +0000

What a couple of dorks. Not impressed. Take enough swings at a Par 3 and you’ll eventually get a hole in one too. It doesn’t make you a good golfer.