I am grateful for the competition in the market, many of us do not “enjoy” punching holes in paper, and many of my friends don’t enjoy steel.

We can macho stuff up, and say that “real shooters” don’t use a scope, Kestrel, a brand new primer etc … but oh well, unhappy people are gonna be unhappy. Some people take walks, some hike, some climb rocks, some sprint and some trek.

Long range shooting is fun, and I love that we all have different preferences and that the market is providing solutions.

Comparing a shooter that takes two days, firing hundreds of rounds to hit a 3500 yard target is not IMHO a test of skill as a long range shooter. That’s just practice and some luck.

Giving parameters regardless of what they are is a great start.

Personally, I applaud ELRC and hope the this catches on with a regular World Championships.

If you don’t like it – fine, it’s not compulsory!

However:

“AB hijacking the whole ELR record thing and basicaly reducing it to valid only if shot at our event outing that puts most for the shooting world at a disadvantage.”

But:

“The following rules have been established to standardize the requirements for a recognized ELR Central World Record attempt, while managing 50 shooters in an efficient manner.”

I think if you read the introduction above, you will understand that they are trying to establish the rules under and for ELR Central competitions only. This allows for other organizations to write and establish their own rules and guidelines for what they determine to be their style of competition. Some could compare this IBS and NBRSA.

Until there are regular matches run (same as the battle we had to standardise 1000 yard BR) and they meet the emotional needs of the shooting public then all this talk is just that.

This is an very expensive sub-discipline of and sub-discipline. Until the exceedingly loose coalition of competing individuals understand this and start working for a serious outcome, the ELR game will remain less than relevant.

I love the idea of a cold bore hit.

I’ve shot too many tiny groups to give a crap anymore and the only shots I am really proud of nowadays are my cold bore hits on small targets (moa or less) at the longer ranges.

Good for you AB.
110% support your standards.

Fred: 3 out of 3 hits are one more than your speed record that requires only two .Way higher standard.

In any case this will be top dollar stuff only , Rifle being the least expensive part of it all.

Metres work better than yards. Berms at 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000 metres on paper targets and a safety butt would work a lot more effectively than all this steel.

The emotion needs to be removed and there should be a more global approach that goes beyond the US attempts at domination.

AB initially said that the idea was to use whatever steel might be available with max dimensions (supposedly rather than doing something special). They even said they would provide targets at no cost. Then why standardize on a square target when you (AB) certainly have the wherewithal to provide round targets?

As for why not paper targets, please note that the URSA target is 37″ round – the same size – intentionally – as the outer ring of IBS and NBRSA 1000 yard paper targets – so groups interested in shooting paper have a home AND targets already available from multiple suppliers. BTW, we currently use steel because our current method of scoring hits is to see the flash of an “attached” light. The gear to support identification of a hit on a paper target is not where we went BUT is certainly viable (target cameras, drones with cameras, etc.) – thus the 37″ “requirement” (regardless of distance shot). More info about URSA at http://www.unlimitedrange.org