Comments on: One Cartridge Case, Two Shots, Exact Same FPS, and 0.1” Group

By: FB

FB — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 03:33:42 +0000

The Full-Length Sizing installed in Lou’s RCBS single stage is definitely an L.E. Wilson Full-Length Bushing-Type Sizing Die. It’s not a Redding FL bushing die. The Redding die is drastically different and is longer.
https://lewilson.com/wilson-full-length-sizing-die-bushing-type

I would like to know what cotton brush he is using on the redding neck brush handle.

Editor: Lou provided the information.

By: John MH

John MH — Wed, 14 Aug 2019 05:49:44 +0000

Thanks Chris-NZ

By: Oscar

Oscar — Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:00:38 +0000

PMH – well said.

By: PMH

PMH — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:31:11 +0000

I’ve been shooting for a long time and I save most targets–I actually have a shed on the back property full of LR targets. I also record most information on an excel sheet. This makes seeing the big picture, based on real data, so much easier.

Anyway, when I looked at velocity measurements for some groups I found quite a few five shot groups that had the same velocity for the first two or three shots.

I even remember shooting new Lapua .308 and had four of the first five shots report the same velocity (it was 43 grains of Varget by the way).

And there were countless other five shot groups that had the same velocity repeated consecutively, just not on the first and second shot–some were the third and fourth or fourth and fifth shots. Some groups had two velocities repeated twice also. My point is, this is really easy to do and I’ve done it quite a few times without an AMP.

Also, everyone who reads this is saying why didn’t you keep going beyond two shots. Two shots leaves more questions than answers. If you are trying to prove what the AMP will do, then actually show us. Shoot 20 shots and give us some real information.

And to those who say we should consider this gold–all I can say is you are not looking at this objectively. He taught us nothing in the video. He might be the greatest shooter in the world, but this video didn’t give any insight into how he became that. I already know to buy the best equipment I can afford–that’s kind of a no brainer. I also know the order to reload, again a no brainer.

And this is not a disrespect comment. It is a non-emotional critique of a video featuring a man I don’t know and have never met–thus I have no emotional ties to him and can asses his video without bias.

By: mark

mark — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 11:56:35 +0000

do that again!

By: Chris-NZ

Chris-NZ — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:52:25 +0000

To answer a question, the electronic target is part of an Oehler 43 Lab.

Getting back to my die comment, it’s def -not- a Redding die despite the commentary. It’s a fully polished stainless die, not a hint of black ring nor knurling on it

By: Boyd Allen

Boyd Allen — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 17:58:52 +0000

Oscar,
Lubing the inside of necks is not new, but the whole issue of whether necks need to be cleaned after annealing then what specifically you do to make the seating forces more uniform has been the topic of many discussions. I have spoken with winners of 1,000 yard nationals who all did different reloading based on each of their testing, but since the main issue of how necks are done, and for that matter how precisely powder is weighed is uniformity of velocity, even though I agree that more shots are needed I think that he was trying to give a snapshot of his method. On the scale draft shield, the only way to know what the air draft situation in his shooting room is would be to observe the scale readout, to see if it needed protection. I am sure that he has that available, since I have seen that same setup at a short range benchrest match with draft protection, although he does not use it all of the time for that application, since he has had good result with thrown charges.

By: Paul

Paul — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 14:51:52 +0000

Boyd, do you happen to know what moly kit Lou is using for the inside of the case necks. Seems this may help with the long range shooting that I do.

Paul

By: Oscar

Oscar — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 14:24:23 +0000

Boyd – where in the world did you get that I disrespected Lou? His “results” speak for themselves – match results. Trying to make a statement with a sample size of two (2) is my grief. BTW, since when are lubing the inside of case necks and annealing brass anything “advanced”? And to suggest that not using shields inside is not needed because he is in a tunnel…labs use shields in the most controlled environments in the world, much better controlled than such a tunnel environment.

By: Boyd Allen

Boyd Allen — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 09:03:39 +0000

Oscar,
He does not need a wind shield when loading indoors. ( He uses one when loading outdoors.)You have no idea what case prep was done, because the video does not cover that. The tidbits are that he uses moly in his necks and the way he applies it, with no other work after annealing. You can bet that he has tried every other option and that is what he found to work best. You could also see how easy and fast annealing after every shot is using the AMP annealer. I have flame annealed and is is not something that I would do at the range during a short range group match. He does, because it is so quick and easy. Lou brings extensive competition experience to the table, in multiple rifle accuracy sports, and has extensive tunnel testing experience of many components and techniques. Rather than take cheap shots, perhaps you should go to a match and try to beat him sometime. Perhaps then you will show him the respect that he deserves.