Hornady Suspends Production of 150 Ammo Types and 150 Bullet Types for Balance of 2013
In order to increase deliveries of its most popular types of ammunition and bullets, Hornady announced that it will temporarily suspend production of 150 bullet types and 150 ammo types. IMPORTANT: These bullet and ammo products are NOT being discontinued. Rather, these less-popular, suspended items will simply not be produced for the remainder of 2013. By doing this, Hornady can reduce tool/machinery changes and thereby increase production of products in highest demand. On July 2nd, Hornady issued this statement:
Dear Hornady Customer:
As you are aware, 2013 has been one of the most challenging years ever in the sporting arms industry. We are proud of the increases in production we have achieved this year, but we are still faced witha demand that exceeds our ability to produce.
In efforts to increase production, we have reviewed everything, refining procedures, adding people, and equipment when possible. One area that will help us produce more: cutting the number of changeovers in our production machinery.
In order to reduce changeovers, we are announceing the temporary suspension of over 150 ammunition items and 150 bullet items, for the balance of 2013.
Attached you will find the list of items that will be suspended. Our plan is to remove the orders for these items from our system, beginning July 10th, and notify you of the cancellations. We will continue to monitor and update this list as the market conditions change.
Our goal is to try to deliver more to every customer, and while this may impact certain categories, our overall delivery should improve.
Hornady has listed the suspended bullet/ammo items in ten pages of attachments sent out to Hornady wholesalers and retailers. One representative page (covering 6mm, 6.5mm, and 7mm bullets) is shown below. This is NOT the complete list — there are TEN (10) pages! Click on each link below to see suspended items listed by caliber, small to large.
Suspension List Contents by Page
1. Suspended Bullets .17 -.25 Caliber
2. Suspended Bullets .270 – .32 Caliber
3. Suspended Bullets .338 – .475 Caliber
4. Suspended Bullets 6mm – 7mm (See at right)
5. Suspended Bullets 8mm – 9mm and Suspended .17 – .223 Ammo
6. Suspended Ammo, .223, .243, 25-06, 270 Win, 280 Rem, 30 Carbine
7. Suspended Ammo 300 Wby Mag, 300 Win Mag, 30-06 Spr, 303 Brit
8. Suspended ammo 6.5 Creed, 6.5×55, 6.8 SPC, 7mm Rem Mag, 7×57 and larger metric
9. Suspended ammo 30-30, .308 Win, .338 Lap, .338 Win Mag, 35 Whelen, .357 Mag
10. Suspended ammo .357 Sig, 38 SPL, 380 ACP, 40 SW, 41 Mag, 44 Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt, and rifle 375 H&H, 404 Jef, 45-70 Govt
Notable Bullets on the Suspended List:
22832 – 22 Cal .224 80gr A-Max
22420 – 6mm .243 75gr V-Max
24562 – 6mm .243 105gr A-Max
26101 – 6.5mm .243 100gr A-Max
29402 – 7mm .284 162gr A-Max
29405 – 7mm .285 162gr BTHP Match
30314 – 30 Cal .308 155gr A-Max Moly
30715 – 30 Cal .308 178gr BTHP Match
30733 – 30 Cal .308 208gr BTHP Match
33102 – 338 Cal .338 200gr SST
Note, the above selection of “notable bullets” is just a “short list” of items that caught our attention. Remember 150 bullet types are being suspended for the balance of the year. With some items on the list, partial orders will be filled, or current orders will be filled, but no new orders taken.
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and the price of every single bullet on that list just went up anpther 80%. :rolleyes:
Its hard to believe there`s a .223 bullet on the list. How can this not be the bullet most in demand in the country right now? Makes no sense. Cancelling the backorders seems to be a good idea. Unfortunately the hoarders have done more damage to the shooting community then any gun law could…thats pretty bad considering im from NY!
What a coincidence, I just permanently suspended any purchases of Hornady’s grossly overpriced products. See how that works?
I would not be surprised if this is a hoax.
Never liked there bullets after watching through the spotting scope several blow up mid-flight on a shooter on the 600 yardline at Perry
Ross this is no hoax…..neither is the fact I’ll never spend another penny on anything Hornady, ever!
I work at a local gun shop. We cannot find enough 380, 9mm, 40S&W and 45 ACP to meet customer demand and Hornady is suspending production of these calibers! Doesn’t pass the smell test. Who are you folks trying to fool? Better yet what caliber ammunition is in greater demand? Makes no sense at all. Sorry decision making process at Hornady, really sad!!!
EDITOR: Hornady is not suspending production of ammunition in all these calibers. Hornady is merely narrowing the selection of ammo (in these and other calibers) being produced through the end of 2013.
Come on Hornady!!! What popular Hornady ammo is in greater demand than 380, 9mm, 40SW, 45 ACP and 223/5.56; share this ground breaking news with the public looking for these calibers.
Here’s the note from the Hornady website http://www.hornady.com/support/availability and it looks like most of the popular stuff is being made. That page links to this list http://www.hornady.com/assets/files/support/Updated-2013-Hornady-Commercial-Ammo-Bullet-Production-List.pdf of stuff they are making. I don’t see anything vital missing from that list.
Editor: The suspended product lists we published were sent out to vendors on July 2, 2013 via fax. I’m not sure if the PDF linked above is as current as the info in the article.
Look closer everyone – a cursory review of a few calibers reveals that perhaps the most popular bullets in various calibers are still being produced (e.g., non-moly .223 V-Max in 50 & 55 gr., 123 gr. 6.5mm A-max)
So just what bullets/ammo are they going to keep producing?
I guess Hornady figure that the customers they’re losing by being unable to fulfil orders outnumber the ones they’re going to lose by doing this. In either case shooters, whether they reload or not, are going to move to another brand, and if they like it, they’ll stick with it. The real problem with this strategy, as I see it, is that, previously, shooters weren’t blaming Hornady, and now they’re going to get “rather cross” about Hornady “taking away their toys”. IME too, people who use “less common” ammo and components do so for a reason, and are likely to be that much more inconvenienced, and that much more alienated, by the lack of value Hornady places on their custom.
A opportunity to increase production, make more money and they stifle it. Hold up your sign…..
I believe Hornady is doing what is best for us and them as they stated! We are not in their business therefore lets cool it until 2014 at least.
no “cooling it” here. Indeed, we are not “in there business” nor are we supposed to be; we are the consumers. Consumer prospective – this stinks. It may be the best thing they can do,,, I don’t care. It’s not good enough and hard to believe. They would be fine to keep making at least short runs to keep ALL consumers happy, but they are trying to maximize profits at consumer expense. Spread it around Hornady ! Some of us have been loyal to you for a long time!
Everyone has to keep in mind that the situation with shortages is not over. Primers, powder and raw materials such as copper etc…are causing them problems as well! Some of the guys here have had components on order from distributors by other makers for powder, primers, bullets, cases etc…for as long as 6 months or more and still have not received what they have ordered!
I’ll throw this in there as well. Did anyone think of ammunition test barrels to test the loaded ammo? Not to mention testing of bullets, powder, etc……..for accuracy and safety for the reloaders!!!!!!!!
Being as we make ammunition test barrels we try and hold test barrels to a very specific delivery time as ammunition makers and bullet and powder makers in some cases base they’re testing and manufacturing time frames from when they expect to receive the test barrels! I know other barrel makers who make test barrels that they’re lead times are out as long as one year! So lets say they cannot get a test barrel for one year to test .45acp ammo! What do you think that does to they’re production and scheduling!!!
Give them a break and rethink what you say before you say it! I know it’s frustrating for all of us! We are all in this together weather you be a manufacturer or a consumer! There is more than one thing driving the problems out there.
Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
Hornady is a business, they need to make a profit and maximize efficiency. Would we rather they trickle out products, many of which may just sit on shelves in local gunshop’s… or target the biggest sellers with larger quantities. This is coming from a guy with two bullets on the list that I use almost exclusively and another two I use a lot… but I understand their reasoning. If anything the supply shortage of 2008-09 and 2012-13 has taught me is to buy bulk for times like this. Kind of like putting money in the bank… but with a higher rate of return/savings considering the increases we have seen over the last 13 years. And no, I am not selling what I have.
Fortunately for me none of my most often used bullets appear in these lists. Of the few I use less frequently or more rarely, the ones still in production can, for the most part, be substituted for those for the next 6 months. Not a perfect solution but one I can live with. Hornady is not the only bullet manufacturer I use but it is my favorite for most types of reloads. I don’t see that changing as a result of their decisions.
If you look closely all rounds listed are also hunting calibers, we need to place higher value on all calibers. This is because of a military order of 1 billion rounds from each not just one but all major manufactures.
Odd that the “broadsheet” on the page shows lotsa’ .243 bullets as “suspended” but the link to 17-25 calibers at http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/hornsuspend01op.png does not show them as being suspended ? ? ?
Also have to wonder, why offer “match” bullets when the production line quite likely has to gear up for hunting ?
EDITOR: Simple answer. Most of the .243 caliber bullets are listed as 6MM on a different page. Look here: http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/hornsuspend04op.png
So whats left, THIS IS NUTS!
“So, what’s left?”
Berger, Sierra, Lapua, Speer, Barnes…..
The plan of the DHS and ICE to buy up civilian ammo is working.
Has anyone here been unable to get a particular bullet or cartridge for over 6 months?
If this is the case, do you even know if any of those bullets or cartridges have been produced in the last 6 months or last year? My guess is: probably not.
Other ammo and component makers who cannot keep up with demand are certainly concentrating on products that will provide the most profit. We just do not know what those items are since they don’t tell us.
I think that Hornady made a responsible move to tell consumers what ammo and reloading components will be available and which ones will not. I do not think that Hornady should be crucified for being honest with us. At least now you won’t be waiting months and months for something without realizing that it is not in current production.
It is unfortunate in one respect that some of you have decided to boycott Hornady. In another respect, though, others will appreciate the availability of items you are no longer buying.
Jim
for 30 cal 178 bthp and 208 Amax are extremely popular…why the heck did they suspend those? Their 178 bthp is one of my top 5 308 bullets.
At least they are keeping the .224 75gr bthp or Id have to freak the freak out
I will continue to support Hornady. I appreciate them being upfront and honest. They make great components and equipment. I never thought I would see the day I couldn’t buy a box of rimfire ammo at Walmart. Its a tough situation for all manufacturers.
Maybe some of you guys should actually read the press release before slamming Hornady. What they are doing should help all of us with the current shortages. They spend more time shut down to switch between the 100 different .224 bullets they produce than they do actually producing them. limiting the different choices will allow them to produce more.
Well, this sort of thing does nothing towards catching up. When consumers see notices like this, the first thing we do is hoard what we can find, making the situation even worse.
If people would relax and quite thinking the democrat-manufactured zombie apocalypse is right around the corner, maybe a sense of normalcy would return. I am not competing this year because of component shortages. It’s stupid in the market.
I have been unable to buy Hornady 22-250 55 gr vmax for over 7 months. I look at several web sites every night and find the same answer OUT OF STOCK. If the government is only buying 5% where in hell is the other 95% going ?? By the look of the list that Hornady has put out, it look like the company is about to close their door. I hope I am wrong and Hornady starts to make the ammo I need.
Wouldnt it be easier if they just made a list with the bullets the were going to continue making.
EDITOR: Check out our follow-up story. Hornady has created an updated list of what remains in production: http://www.hornady.com/support/availability/production-list
all,
hornady is suspending some items for the balance of 2013, so they can ship MORE of the most popular items.
this is exactly what all other manufacturers are doing, hornady is just letting the consumer know up front, as opposed to the other guys who WON’T tell you…..
thanks to the team at hornady for telling the truth!
If they cannot provide me what I want then I will buy from others. I really dont care why Hornady is doing this. I have more boxes of hornady bullets than any other brand on my reloading bench. I have been using Hornady’s since 1980. If they will not provide me the bullets that I have used of theirs I will move to another vendor and vote with my dollars. When vendors start penalizing their customers due to their own problems its time to move on.
Respectfully
James Ruby
Two things
If everyone would stop with the hoarding, maybe the suppliers could catch up on the demand and these crazy prices will go down, some. Who the hell can afford to shoot anything at these prices? Some idiots out there are paying 10 cents and more for .22 LR.
Time to get the melting pot out. Hornady and others can keep their bullets.
Good grief! Don’t get your panties in a wad. They are doing exactly what they should have done 6 months ago. I toured their plant a month ago. I must say it’s like the others, mostly 70 yer old surplus equipment the Govt got rid of. (Remington plant in NY is the worst; I thought US Grant would walk past, They never heard about the concept of modern manufacturing, stuff went around in little carts. As an Engineer I was appalled) Hornaday has 90 odd presses making bullets, all old style green and gray I kid you not. Should have been replaced in about 1960, Absolutely no doubt in my mind they take hours to change bullet sizes, no doubt they should stick to a few, Also no doubt the Lead Engineers Should be sent back to school to learn about modern production methods. I’m 63, retired, and haven’t seen such old methods since school.
To GrnMtnBoy and others who are lambasting “hoarders”, it’s pathetic that they have overlooked the single largest “hoarder” in North America… the U.S. Federal Government. I haven’t seen a single rebuttal of these name-calling claims, so here it is. If you’re incapable of analyzing ordinate math, and think that the average civilian buying ten boxes of .223 is a problem, you’re mistaken. The problem of insufficient supply should always be looked at with reason… and the shortage of supply, industry-wide, is traceable to one thing only… dry-up via U.S.Fed over-requisition… for purposes they refuse to explain. Hornaday has been as forthright as they’re comfortable being, but it doesn’t take a genius to understand that demand shortens supply, and that is an industry-wide effect, regardless of from whence it stems.
All you folks whining about “hoarders” and how Hornady is sticking it to consumers?
You need to shut the hell up.
If you had been buying ammo before the Panic of 2012/2013 then Hornady — and everyone else in the ammo business — would have built up their production capabilities enough to have been able to keep producing small lots of unpopular ammo and bullets.
Hornady — and everyone else in the ammo business — can’t sink millions into extra machinery, extra space for the machinery, stockpiles of extra materials and extra employees to put it all together. All to deal with a Panic created by consumers with the attention span of goldfish.
Don’t like the Panic? Get off your asses and kick the anti-gun politicians out of office.
Don’t like the shortages? Stop whining and start buying ammo and components BEFORE there’s a crisis.
Most of you are over reacting to this notice. If you would take the time to actually read the list of bullets and ammo that they are putting on suspension, you would notice that they are continuing to produce the most popular bullets and ammo. Its the “odd balls” that don’t sell as much that they are suspending. In this manner they can actually ramp up production of the most popular ones. They are not trying to “short” us on available products, they are actually trying to INCREASE the available products by reducing “down time” for tooling changes. Relax a little guys, in a month or two you should see a decrease in the “out of stock” notices on your favorite sites…….
Just because some popular calibers are on the list does not mean they are not producing that same caliber in a more popular format. It does make sense.
It never ceses to amaze me on the ignorance of the human race.If you guys wanted ammo,you would have had it before the shortage,now that you can’t get it,you want it! Well, you can’t have it,period.If you think your going to vote the anti’s out your nuts.Here’s whats happening.The U.S. Gov’t is spending millons on underground bunkers,storing diesel fuel,lubricants,and millions of rounds of ammunition.Why?I don’t know,unless America’s lein holder is threatening to foreclose,and you know who that is!Enough said!!
You know, what’s funny about all these people hoarding up ammunition, is that it is on,y good for so long. After a shell has sit around so long, it will not fire. I have seen it happen many times. There is no point in hoarding up ammo that after you have had it a few years, will not fire when you need it most.
Kelvin Hinton,
That is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. When properly stored, ammo will last a LONG time. As in many decades.
What I find interesting, is that the price of commodities like copper zink, and lead, has dropped ….HUGE ! but the price of bullets, brass, and primers has gone through the roof.
Well I guess I won”t be buying from Hornady any longer.
Randy
What we need is a new list. A list of generally translatable projectiles.
I’m sure it won’t be perfect but hopefully it will give us a few clues as to what we can swap out for the Hornady stuff that may or may not come back into production.
It’s frustrating because after months of refinement I was finally able to dial in the 60 grain VMAX only to have it no longer available.
People tell me that Nosler 60 grain Ballistic Tips are generally interchangeable, but I haven’t found any of that around yet.
I spent 8 months looking for Sierra Match Kings and finally found some of that but it’s still hit and miss.
If any of you know of such a list or want to create one, I for one would be greatly appreciative. As a new comer to the art of handloading/reloading, every little tip helps.
The Department of Homeland Security has a budget of $39.2 billion for the year 2013, not the military,,just Homeland Security, to protect us from us,and why,,they say to practice. There is where all of the components are going, not the hunters, shooters, and personal protection. I’m sure if the truth be known, Hornady has a contract. I am able to buy some 30 cal and some 22 cal on a limited basis yet enough to hunt.I’m thankful for that,,and yes the price will continue to go out the roof…
I am, well upset with Hornady as a user since 1983. Just about all of the bullets I use they dont make anymore, well nuts. Purchased a M-1 carbine in 2012, 30 cal 100gr sj work great! But now I guess I’ll go back to Speer or Sierra. All you say is current demand? Well enjoy it while you can! Also used a ton of your 22 cal. 40 gr v-max with moly for varmits and you stopped producing that product too. So long Hornady, Hello Speer and Sierra want my hard earned money?
As of this it is December 31, 2014 this was a year ago and still no bullets? I remember the goverment saying that taxes were only temporary to pay for World War 1, how temporary is temporary?
And as far as the hoarding goes I have a question, how do you hoaed what you cant get??
First day of 2018 and most of the bullets on that list have moved from temporarily suspended to discontinued. Yet, they are putting out all sorts of new fangled offerings catering to the TactiCOOL crowd.
Since this came out in 2013, I have moved all of my pet loads to use Sierra or Nosler bullets.
I will never buy another Hornady offering as long as I live. And I have encouraged many others to share my sentiment. I will turn as many people as I can away from Hornady’s unreliable product line.
In trying to keep up with the newest fads, they have completely deserted their loyal customers of years by discontinuing most all of their cup and core offerings.