Remington Releases 1911 R1 Pistol
With the Cerberus-owned Freedom Group family of companies preparing for an IPO later this year, industry experts wondered: “Will Cerberus purchase a handgun manufacturer, or launch a line of Remington handguns?” With the announcement of the new Remington 1911 R1 pistol, Cerberus has showed its hand. The new 1911 R1 is the first pistol Remington has produced in decades, and the first 1911-design in 91 years.
Remington’s 1911 R1 is featured in the current issue of Shooting Times (left). A blued-steel retro design, the Remington 1911 R1 is faithful to the 1911 A1 with some modern upgrades. Like the original 1911, Remington’s R1 has a flat mainspring housing, internal extractor, short trigger and double diamond grips. Modern enhancements include a flared ejection port, beveled magazine well, loaded chamber indicator, tall single-dot front and two-dot rear sights, and a black-oxided stainless barrel. The 1911 R1 also has a Series 80-style firing pin block safety.
Classic Lines with Some Modern Features
From a subjective standpoint, this Editor likes the looks of Remington’s 1911 R1 and I favor some of its design features. I personally can shoot 1911s better with the short trigger, and I prefer the clean look of a slide without forward serrations. However, I question the decision, based on styling, to use an internal extractor, and the tall blocky sights look somewhat out of place on a retro-styled 1911. However, the big sights will unquestionably help the gun’s shootability.
Remington’s 1911 R1 will be officially launched at the NRA Annual Meeting in NC in May. The gun, which is made in Remington’s Ilion, NY facility, should be available in June, 2010, and dealers are already taking advance orders. The Remington 1911 R1 will be shipped in a custom carry case with two 7-round magazines and a barrel bushing wrench (see photo below). Suggested retail price is $699.00.
Do We Need Yet Another 1911?
It’s easy to be cynical about Remington’s entry into the 21st-century handgun market. Rather than give us something new and really remarkable, Remington merely recycled the tried and trued 1911, a design that is already produced by dozens of companies. Do we really need yet another 1911? One clever gun writer joked: “‘1911′ is supposed to be the model name, not the number of companies building versions of it.” Does Remington bring anything to the marketplace that one can’t buy elsewhere? Well, 1911 fans like the pricing of Remington’s 1911, predicting it will sell very well at the $700.00 mark. And Remington does have a history of producing 1911 handguns for the U.S. Military — Remington-UMC built 21,677 1911s for the U.S. Ordnance Dept. in 1918.
But still, one wonders how much market share Remington will grab from Kimber, Springfield Armory, Smith & Wesson, Les Baer, STI, Wilson Combat, USFA and other proven 1911-makers. Is Remington too late to the party with its retro-styled 1911 R1? Would it have been better for Remington to launch an all-new pistol design that creates a whole new market segment, as did Glock and Keltec? If Remington wants to become a major player in the pistol market, wouldn’t it have been better to engineer a more modern pistol that could compete for lucrative LEO and military pistol markets? Perhaps the answer to these questions is that Remington simply took the cheap and easy route — producing a pistol that required minimal engineering and testing. As ToddG writes on the Pistol-training.com Blog: “Building a 1911 is just a lazy way to enter the handgun market. There is little design and testing needed compared to making something new from scratch. Pick a design, build some prototypes, do a little testing to make sure the CNC machines are set right, and start pumping out guns.”
An American made 1911 under $700? Yes, there is a market for that. The JMB 1911 is STILL the fighting handgun standard – sorry Glock, Sig, etc. I don’t care for the series 80 stuff messing with the trigger but glad to see America actually making something.
The author of this article is out of touch with 1911s. Rock River hasn’t made a 1911 in 2 years.
Also any 1911 without an internal extractor is a market failure.
Maybe with the exception of S&W although I have yet to see a S&W at a match.
Rock Rivers were in very high demand for many years, and RRA was a leader in the “semi-custom” market, along with Les Baer. Smith & Wesson’s external-extractor 1911s have been a very big seller for that company. I own a first-gen S&W 1911 and it shoots as accurately, with noticeably greater reliability, than a Les Baer I also own. The external extractor is considered by many to offer improved reliability and they are easier to tune and maintain. There is a reason almost all the successful semi-auto pistol designs in the last 50 years have used external extractors. And what do you see on a Browning High Power (a later design based mostly on work by J.M. Browning)… that’s right, an external extractor. Arguably the most reliable self-loading handgun ever created, the Glock, has an external extractor. Remington had a choice of going with traditional styling vs. a more modern design with improved reliability and function. Mike is correct that “traditional” buyers seem to prefer the internal extractor look. But that doesn’t mean the internal extractor was the best choice in terms of pure function.
Wow after my first post the “Editor” changed the article deleting “Rock River” as one of the makers that Remington will steal market share from.
Kimber,Sig,Dan Wesson all went back to the internal extractors after the external models didn’t work so well.
The very first Hi Powers were made with internal extractors. FN changed to external later in production.
1911 Traditionalists do seem to favor an internal extractor. But you can’t conclude much from the changes at Kimber and Dan Wesson. Kimber had design and materials flaws, and DW, well, that company has always had serious QC issues, both with external extractors and without. The External extractor is one of the strong points on the S&W 1911s. Consider this, no less a smith than Pistol Dynamics’ Paul Liebenberg puts external extractors in his full custom 1911s: “External Extractor: A standard feature on our scratch built pistols. This system allows us to precisely position the location of the extractor relative to each caliber. Extraction and ejection is substantially enhanced over the traditional 1911 internal extractor system.”
The internal extractor certainly provides more traditional styling. But Remington already departed from 1911 “full authenticity” with the tall sights and flared ejection port.
Like Paul Liebenberg (thought by many to be among the top 3 1911 smiths on the planet), I believe that a properly made external extractor works better. But if you want an internal extractor… that’s fine. It’s sort of like prefering spoked wire wheels on a street motorcycle.
I’m partial, but I think Shooting Illustrated’s cover does the gun justice.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3685839&id=363147449221
It’s great to see Remington in the handgun market again, but not with the old, ubiquitous Colt .45 ACP.
Remington should have re-introduced their classic Model 51(or even the .45 ACP Model 530). They were beautiful, graceful pistols (as opposed to the boxy, clunky half plastic monstrosities you see marketed today) that fit the hand perfectly.
They were expensive to make, but with modern CNC technology, they should be marketable today at an acceptable price point.
Remington in the pistol market?WTF.
Why not an XP100 SPS cheap version in all the varmint calibers.
Remington wake up, you need something all New. With all the new technology we have today a 1911 just won’t get it. I love 1911’s but any good smith can make them rock and roll. If your going to get in get in with both feet and new blood and something wild and all steel and leave the big P out of it. We want something when see it you will say look at that, “wow” it’s is a REMINGTON
Personally, I think this is possibly the least intelligent way that big green could enter this already saturated market. The reason Remington got the 1911 contract at the end of WWI was because the Navy and the USMC liked the Remington model 53, a .45 ACP version of the model 51, better, but couldn’t afford to wait for the new pistol when the war broke out. If they made a modern version of that pistol, they would sell just by virtue of being different. Considering you can get a bone stock Kimber Custom II for around $650, made in the USA, why would you buy the Remington?
I can’t help but support a company that is willing to offer a product that is made in USA.
In this market, I don’t think there is saturation. Everyone is buying guns like there is no tomorrow. This is why Freedom is IPOing now. After the Obama fear dies down, it will be too late.
I just looked at the Kimber Custom II. It’s ugly and utilitarian just like other modern semi-autos. It’s nice to see a retro 1911, US Made, at a reasonable price.
You gentlemen can argue over internal or external extractors or the need for another 1911 type on the market. This message is for the folk at Remington, I just ordered one! THANKS!
I think that Remington producing another 1911 is a great idea! Why not have America produce something,especially to the customer that wants to pay less money for a quality hand gun!
Besides complaing about this gun or if there’s room for another 1911 style gun? keep in mind this is American made, not another cheap import of a 1911 called “Springfield-USA”? The Remington’s are US made in NY and match anything Kimber makes at $1000 or less, so there’s a lot of room. In fact’ I was just at a Gunshow and who ever had these was selling them right and left, while little else was?
I will buy a remington because its a Remington Made in the USA
Remington built a first class 1911 that shoots as good as my Dan Wesson 1911. This gun is built in AMERICA. If yoy want to buy a Jap or China gun Move to there country and have a good time.
Live AMERICA
Fred Kolb
I’m from Buffalo (Upstate) New York.
Glad to see an American based gun company producing a good product and creating jobs.
I’m buying a Remington .45.
Is there a market for the R1? Well you can’t get a WW2 .45 auto for less than a grand unless it’s total junk. At under $700 bucks I would say there is probably a very good market for the R1. It’s a retro-look pistol with upgrades like easy-to-see sights, a beveled ejection port and magazine well. I’d trade my unfired 1970 Browning High Power 9mm for an R1 right now, if I had the chance.
just bought one last week love it shoots great 3inch, at 30 feet good as my glock
Like all true blooded Americans i am glad that Remington is stepping back up to the plate and producing the R1. I own only Rem. rifles and shotguns all made in the U.S.A. I also own over 30 different pistols and the only reliable handguns that S&W/Taurus/Ruger can make are revolvers. But just to be fair i do enjoy my Glock 17 19 23 and (37 45ACP)>and that G-37 is what made myself buy REM R1 and why i’m proud to be an American!!! (Don’t Tread On Me)!!!
I own one. It’s great. ‘Nuff said.
I wanted to purchase a kimber.The wife said aint no way in hell im spending 1,000.00 or more for no pistol.To make a long story short the wife brings me home this new REM R1 45! God I love my wife! WOW what a beautiful pistol. Thank you Remington.
I was looking for an 1911, not sure what to buy, Kimber, S&W. But the Remington became my choice. Not only for the price, great feeling gun.
Thanks Remington, very good move, to come back. I love stuff build by Americans, and i’m still gratefull for what those guy’s did long time ago in Europe. Thanks America for another great gun.
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for a handgun at an entry level of 699.99it performs quite eloquently remember it;s not the gun it;s the shooter
I bought a 1911R1 In March 2011 and Would not want anything else. It Shoots like no other and Easy to Carry Concealed. I use Wilson Combat Mags instead of the ones supplied ( 8 instead of 7 Rounds) and Can depend on it when the going gets dangerous. All I can say is: I would not want to be on the wrong end of this Weapon and If I were a Criminal, I would think twice before going against this one.