NEW 6.5 Creedmoor Cartridge from Hornady
Hornady has announced a new, 6.5mm cartridge designed for Across-the-Course and High Power shooters, and 3-gun competitors. (We think the new round may also prove very popular with hunters and tactical shooters.) Dubbed the 6.5 Creedmoor, the cartridge is smaller than a .260 Remington (.308-size case) but larger than the 6.5×47 Lapua. Measuring 1.920″ from base to mouth, 6.5 Creedmoor brass features a 30° shoulder and minimal body taper. Case capacity is “right around 53.0 grains of H20″ according to Hornady. The 6.5 Creedmoor uses a large rifle primer and large flash hole.
Hornady says its 6.5 Creedmoor is designed to operate at “standard” .308 Winchester pressures, for increased “barrel and case life”. The 6.5 Creedmoor factory ammo is loaded to “under 60,000 psi” according to Hornady engineers. That’s quite a bit less than the 62,000 psi SAAMI max pressure limit for the .308 Winchester, or the 63,090 rated max psi of the 6.5×47 Lapua. Compared to max-loaded 6XC or 6.5×47 cases, the lower-pressure 6.5 Creedmoor should, theoretically, provide good barrel life. Dennis DeMille, who has been testing the factory 6.5 Creedmoor ammo, reports that the factory ammo is “not on the ragged edge at all–pressures are ‘sensible’, with excellent reliability as a result.”
6.5 Creedmoor Loaded Ammo Specifications
Bullet | COAL (max) | Powder | Grains | Primer | Velocity | PSI |
120gr Amax | 2.820″ | H4350 | 43.5 | LrgR | 3020 fps | under 60,000 |
140gr Amax | 2.820″ | H4350 | 41.2 | LrgR | 2820 fps | under 60,000 |
The new cartridge looks speedy on paper. Hornady claims its factory-loaded 6.5 Creedmoor ammo will deliver 3,020 fps with the 120gr Amax and 2,820 fps with the 140gr Amax from a 28″ barrel. Those velocities are at the extreme high end of what we’ve seen a 6.5×47 Lapua deliver with 123gr and 139gr Scenars. In the 6.5×47, with handloads, it’s more realistic to expect 2950 fps with the 123-grainer, and about 2800 with the 139. Lapua’s factory-loaded 6.5×47 rounds are considerably slower. So, it appears the 6.5 Creedmoor will enjoy a slight velocity edge over 6.5×47 handloads, and a sizeable speed advantage over Lapua 6.5×47 factory ammo (with similar bullet weights).
BALLISTICS: 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .308 Win vs. .223 REM
Background of Cartridge
The new cartridge was conceptualized by Dave Emary, Hornady’s Senior Ballistician, and Dennis DeMille, General Manager of Creedmoor® Sports and two-time NRA National High Power Rifle Champion. Dave and Dennis wanted to provide factory-loaded ammo that would be 100% competitive with any High Power chambering, including the 6XC and 6.5×47 Lapua. The 6.5 Creedmoor was purpose-built for match rifles, including the Tubb 2000 and DPMS/Panther Arms LR Series. Its case is shorter than the 260 Remington, so you can load even the longest bullets into .308-Win length magazines. Pushing a 120gr Amax at 3000+ fps, the 6.5 Creedmoor offers a nice, flat trajectory plus good wind-bucking ability. Dennis Demille has used the prototype cartridge for many months now in a Tubb 2000 rifle. He says, the load is “moderate and very reliable. There have been no issues with stiff bolt lift or primer cratering.” The factory ammo runs “under 60,000 psi” according to Emary, and uses Hodgdon H4350 powder–43.5 grains with the 120 Amax and 41.2 grains with the 140 Amax.
Loaded 6.5 Creedmoor ammo is slated for release in January or February 2008 “at the latest”, according to Dave Emary. Ammo should be priced about $22 per box of 20 rounds, roughly the same as Hornady .308 Win match ammo. Brass, produced by Hornady in the USA, should be available by late spring. The new 120gr Amax bullet should be released very early next year.
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>> and 3-gun competitors.
Unlikely. In USPSA 3-Gun where there is a Major Power Factor, major calibers have never caught on over minor calibers because one generally can’t gain enough extra points to make up for the slower time incurred shooting the “AR-10″-sized rifles. (The AR is the dominant rifle platform for 3-Gun.) In the Outlaw 3-Gun matches (RM3G, SMM3G, etc) which have a “He-Man” or “Heavy Metal” division, .308, .30-06, (or sometimes 8x57JS) is mandated.
That said, the 6.5 Creedmoor has a lot of promise to dominate the long-range games – conventional and practical/Outlaw, perhaps providing a better total solution than either .260Rem or 6.5×47. — Zak
EDITOR: Zak, we agree re 3-gun. We are just passing on what Hornady has stated as its prospective market: “High power shooters and 3-gun competitors will find the 6.5 Creedmoor to be the ultimate match cartridge.” Quoting Hornady Press Release, 11/1/2007.
It seems like it is a great cartridge design and size with a lot of things going for it. I would love to know what the neck length is as well. Hornady’s brass, in the past, has been a little on the soft side, so I hope they have that issue under control because at the 600 yard line people are going to be working to push the big bullets as fast and accurate as possible. I would also hope brass will be available independent from loaded ammo.
Robert Whitley
Do you know of any gun maker that plans on chambering a rifle for this round. If so when will that rifle be out on the market for sale? Thanks Dale
With respect to Hornady– their statement about 3gun makes no sense.
Dale,
The article above cites both the Tubb rifle and the DPMS LR-308.
Pacific Tool has reamers so “anyone” can chamber for it.
I am interested where the “Creedmoor” name came from?
It’s in the article above.
“Dennis DeMille, General Manager of Creedmoor® Sports “
I don’t see what this offers the .260 Remington does not?? I also don’t think listing velocity from a 28″ test barrel is very honest, these rounds would be a good bit slower from any gun most folks use with 20-24″ barrels. Test how we play, show velocity from a realistic barrel length. In their tail of the tape blurb, they don’t even mention the 28″ test barrel!
Im sure Zack will find the answers we are looking for hopefully sooner than Later. He lives and breathes on this game. can’t wait to find out what answers he comes up with.
Being captivated by the 6.5 bullet design, I was interested in this new ‘short’ round. I was hoping to see the ‘holy grail’ of a 140 gr. at 3000 fps from the round in a 24″ hunting platform. I squeese my old 6.5×55 Swede in my handloads in my old Swede Mauser, but am pressing the envelope on safety and thus, back down as reloading literature recommends. An early 19th centry rifle, even with a ‘new’ like in kind 29″, 19th century barrel can be mistreated. I aggree with “Pilotmadrat” above about data supplied as collected from a 28″ tube. Might show us data from a 20,22,24 or something we handle in the field. Seeing all the AR15’s in the ads may push Hornady in that direction. What about some 14″ and 16″ data? My son carries an AR in IRAG with a 16″. But to defend my “Heart Throb” 6.5, 140gr. bullet, (BC is the BEST around up to the 180gr, 30 Cal.s!), this round smokes the .233 in weight, Mussle Vel, BC, Drop, and while I did not calculate any Knock Downs, my guess is a 6.5 cal. 140 gr @ 2800 will surpass a 75gr at same velocity! Luv dem 6.5’s!!!
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One of the main advantages will be when using longer bullets such as the 142 SMK. The base of the bullet will not be eating up room in the case that would be better used for powder. You can stick with the same OAL and as a .260 and keep your short action, but the bullet will not protrude below the shoulder inside the case. These heavier bullets begin to really shine at distances >800m due to their very high BCs.
The short/fat aspect ratio should also increase the powder efficiency. (yes, very slightly) So even though it has slightly less capacity than the .260 it should still have about identical performance. Many also believe that the short/fat design lends itself to more uniform powder ignition and consequently better inherent accuracy.
Anyone know if it works in all the .308 mags out there? Badger, HS, Rem, etc. I’ve seen a few pics of it stuffed in AR mags.
Anyone interested in more info should read:
http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-shootout-260-6.5×47-6.5-creedmoor/
My 6.5 Creedmoor article is the front-page item on the March 31st Shotgun News.
How will this new round compare to the Grendel given the same bullet weight and same barrel lenght?
Thanks
6.5 Grendel only has 35gr of H2O capacity. It’s not even in the same league as the Creedmoor. It was designed to optimize the AR15 platform, not as a LR match round.
Why don’t yall just send me a 24″ barrel threaded for a Surgeon action and chambered in this caliber. I will of course need some dies and brass. I will reload and shoot the rifle to see what it will actually do in a standard length barrel and with no special propellants, and we will see then how it stack up. The cartridge does seem interesting and I would love to have a shot at it.
What twist is recommended when using bullets that weigh 142 grains?
The 6.5 Grendel is a very interesting bullet with performance that would give the lighter AR-15 an advantage both in combat and competition. The 6.5 bullet is the best BC solution and the Grendel could be the answer if it is not over controlled by Alexander Arms. I know they want to money but this great round could be destroyed by the way it is marketed. Just as there are now several LR 6.5 rounds (260 Rem., 6.5 Creedmoor & Lepua) the market needs to settle on which one is going to be the next mainstream round. Don’t count out the Grendel in LR competition, carring a lighter gun with a little less range could be useful, you are shooting targets at a 1000 yards not cape buffalo.
6.5 Grendel only has 35gr of H2O capacity. It’s not even in the same league as the Creedmoor. It was designed to optimize the AR15 platform, not as a LR match round.
Comment by Barry — April 14, 2008 @ 8 pm
so if you had to pick one gun to go to battle for killing power and accuracy long range which would you pick??
6.5 Grendel or 6.5 Creedmoor??
I will never understand the reluctance of U.S. shooters to embrace and foster the 6.5 over the recent years. With the 6.5×55, why did we need .260 Rem? Alexander and the 6.5 grendel was/is vastly superior to the 6.8 SPC, yet manufacturers are chambering bolt guns for the 6.8, and the Grendel is not being marketed effectively. If the Military turned thumbs down on 6.8 SPC then so should the manufacturers.
In any event in a bolt action make mine 6.5×55, an AR, give me 6.5 Grendell!
Ruger is now offering their M77® MarkII-Target Grey® KM77VT MKII rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor with a 28″ barrel and the M77® Hawkeye® Standard HM77R rifle with a 24″ barrel. See Sturm Rugers web-site for details. Go to rifles, then search for 6.5mm Creedmoor under caliber with any other criteria on Ruger’s web-site.
I AM IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING A 6.5 CREEDMOOR RIFLE ON A MAUSER 98 ACTION , 23.5 INCH BARREL , 8.5 TWIST NUMBER TWO CONTOUR STAINLESS DOUGLAS BARREL ,DOUGLAS CAN INSTALL AND CHAMBER THE 6.5 FOR YOU . THEY GET IT DONE QUICK AND DO A GOOD JOB . I BELIEVE THIS SHOULD BE A VERY EFFIECENT AND ACCCURATE CARTRIDGE
I have the Ruger M77 Target Grey in 6.5 Creedmoor (1:8 twist); if I do my part it will shoot .1-.2″ and it doesn’t do anything weird when it’s hot. I have the same rifle in .243 Win. and it shoots the same groups; I suspect people that say Rugers are inaccurate aren’t familiar with this line of rifles. They really aren’t bad rifles for the money considering the accuracy, dual-stage fully adjustable triggers and floating barrels, though the bedding could be better.
I tried playing around with the loads with H4350 and didn’t like the performance and it seemed to spike easily when going past factory data and gave bad deviation. I tried R19 and that worked quite well and gave velocities with 140 grain class bullets [over 2900 fps] and the 120 class bullets were getting [over 3000]. Reloder 17 as many have guessed is THE powder to use with this cartridge I have found; 142 SMKs at [over 2900 easy]. I have 123 Scenars doing [well over 3100 fps] with single digit SDs without issue.
Using under 9 minutes to get to 600 and under 21 minutes to 1000 with a 100-yard zero is cool (pointed 123 Scenar at 3100+).
[Edited for load safety concerns.]
Savage Arms in Model 111( not sure )are suppose to add the 6.5-284 Win and 6.5 Creedmore on their line up for 2010. Have a look on Savage website.
Jud
I HAVE BEEN RELOADING AND SHOOTING THE 6.5 CREEDMOOR IN MY MAUSER AND REM 700 SHORT ACTION REBARRELED FROM DOUGLAS , 8.50 TWIST ,24 INCH BARREL NUMBER 2 CONTOUR , I CAN GO WITH ANY LENGHT BULLETS AND STILL GET THEM TO FIT THE REM, MAGAZINE , IT IS A VERY ACCURATE PLEASENT SHOOTING ,AND VERY EFFIECENT ROUND . I LOAD 43.5 GRAINS OF VARGET WITH 120 NOSLER BILLIST TIP BULLETS 3150 FPS , 41 GR VARGET 130 BERGERS VLD 2950 FPS . 140 VLDS 40 VARGET 2790 FPS ,TEMP 30 DEG , VARGET IS THE BEST POWDER FOR ALL MY RELOADING ,WITH BARNES 120 TRIPPLE SHOCK I USE 41.5 GR VARGET BACK OFF THE LANDS 2950 FPS , ALL UNDER ONE INCH GROUPS ,NO RECOIL
At this time I am having Charlie Robertson at “SCORE HIGH GUN SMITHING” in Albuquerque, NM build one on a Rem.700 action. He has been building guns for me for the last twenty years and is a Tactical Competitor and a Silhouette shooter as well. I started to go with a 6.5/284 but he went over the numbers with me and convinced me that the 6.5 Creedmore is the way to go. If you go to his site you will see the picture of the rifle he is shooting. I have been a big fan of the 284 case for years so it took some convening for me to change.
YOU HAVE MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE , THE 6.5 HAS LESS RECOIL , BETTER BARREL LIFE AND EXCELLENT ACCURACY. VERY EFFICIENT CARTRIDGE , GREAT VELOCITY ,AND WILL FIT GREAT IN THE SHORT MAGAZINE FOR ALL BULLETS
I just purchased a Ruger hawkeye w/26″ barrel and working up loads w/ a buddy who has the same rifle in a target model.These rifles in 6.5 creedmoor are shooting great but havent got the final load for our rifles worked up yet. Great soft shooting cartridge. I hope to work a hunting load for pronghorn & mule deer using Berger 140 VLD hunting bullets. still havent decided on a pwdr.
I am trying to find more info on 6.5 creedmore,from members that are using it for both target and field,I require accuracy for long range shooting on the game I shoot(from groundhogs to coyote’s) can anyone be able to give me more info thanks