Bryan Litz — Marksman, Rocket Scientist, Ballistics Guru
One of the great things about our Shooters’ Forum is that many uniquely talented shooters share their knowledge and test findings. One of those experts is “bsl135″ aka Bryan Litz. Bryan is no ordinary “weekend warrior”. He graduated from Penn State with a degree in Aerospace Engineering. He then began a career as a missile design engineer at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. He has written many ballistics programs and technical papers dealing with long-range flight dynamics of projectiles. Bryan is also a superb long-range shooter, holding an NRA High Master Classification. At this year’s NRA National Championships at Camp Perry, Bryan beat 258 other competitors to win the Palma Individual Trophy Match. Bryan shot a remarkable 450/26x, not dropping a single point.
Breaking News: Just today, Bryan won the Ohio State Midrange Championship, an iron sights event with 15 shots each at 300, 500, and 600 yards. Bryan shot a spectacular 450/39X. Again, Bryan didn’t drop a point and his X-count would make this a new National Record, pending certification. Congrats Bryan!
Bryan also has his own website with a number of authoritative articles. Topics include: Bullet Design, Meplat Trimming, Gyroscopic and Coreolis Drift, Palma Bullet Analysis, How Ballistics Programs Work, and Ballistic Coefficient Testing. CLICK HERE to visit BRYAN LITZ Website.
7mm Bullet BC Testing — Evaluating the Numbers
Bryan does a lot of testing for bullet-makers, evaluating the performance of various bullet types. One thing he has observed is that manufacturers’ published BCs may vary considerably even for two bullet designs that appear to be nearly identical. In our Forum, Bryan offered this interesting analysis of the 7mm Berger 180gr VLD and the similar 7mm JLK 180gr VLD:
“I’ve developed a repeatable procedure for test firing bullets to determine ballistic coefficient. If you get Precision Shooting Magazine, the March issue has one of my articles about test firing the Berger .30 cal 155gr VLD. Long story short, my test procedure uses acoustic sensors in 200-yard increments to measure time of flight out to 600 or 1000 yards. My BC measurements are repeatable to within +/- 2%, usually within +/- 1%.
I have tested several 7mm bullets. Of particular interest are the Berger 180gr and JLK 180gr bullets. If you look at these bullets side by side, it’s hard to tell a difference between them. I believe the JLK bullet dies were made from the same set of prints as the Berger VLD (Design by Bill Davis of Tioga Engineering). So … why would these bullets have different [published] BCs? They’re the same weight and the same basic shape [with very minor differences in OAL and bearing surface length]. This is just the kind of smoke and mirrors that makes shooters think there is something mysterious about BCs and exterior ballistics that’s beyond the realm of human understanding. I was pleased with the results of my testing of these two bullets: the BC is virtually the same, as expected. All is right with the world.”
Drag Models — G7 is better than G1 for long-range Bullets
Most ballistics programs use the default G1 drag model. Bryan believes the G7 standard is preferrable for long-range, low-drag bullets: “Part of the reason there is so much ‘slop’ in advertised BCs is because they’re referenced to the G1 standard which is very speed sensitive. The G7 standard is more appropriate for long range bullets. Here are the results of my testing for these two bullets:
G1 BCs, averaged between 1500 fps and 3000 fps:
Berger 180 VLD: 0.659 lb/in²
JLK 180: 0.645 lb/in²
The reason the BC for the JLK is less is mostly because the meplat was significantly larger on the particular lot that I tested (0.075″ vs 0.059″; see attached drawings).
For bullets like these, it’s much better to use the G7 standard. The following BCs are referenced to the G7 standard, and are constant for all speeds.
G7 BCs:
Berger 180 VLD: 0.337 lb/in²
JLK 180: 0.330 lb/in²
Many modern ballistics programs, including the free online JBM ballistics program, are able to use BCs referenced to G7 standards. When available, these BCs are more appropriate for long range bullets.”
[Editor’s NOTE: BCs are normally reported simply as an 0.XXX number. The lb/in² tag applies to all BCs, but is commonly left off for simplicity.]
Effect of Bullet Pointing
Bryan has also tested the effect of pointing bullets. He’s determined that this does have a positive (if small) effect on ballistics. Bryan writes: “I have measured the Berger 180 VLD in both nominal and pointed meplat configurations. Pointing the meplat from 0.059″ to 0.039″ increases the G7 BC from 0.337 lb/in² to 0.344 lb/in². This results in less than 2″ difference in 1000-yard wind drift (10 mph 90°). The improvement is small, perhaps negligible for standard decimal prone targets with large scoring rings. The improvement is more significant for F-Class targets with smaller scoring rings. That being said, I do point my own Berger 180 VLDs that I shoot in prone competition. It’s fast, easy, doesn’t hurt anything, and every little bit helps.”
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There were four great performances during the long range at Perry this year: John Whidden’s shoot off victory in the Leech Cup; John Whidden’s come-from-behind victory for his second Long Range National Championship; Brandon Green’s two in a row Wimbledon Cups; and, Bryan’s great performance to win the Individual Palma. That is traveling in rare air and mighty tall company in anyone’s book.
Bryan’s new Mid Range records are very impressive, but they are just the beginning for him. If you have followed Bryan’s shooting over the past couple of years, you could see this coming. His star is just beginning to shine and the sky is the limit.
I had just a few moments to speak with Bryan at Camp Perry, and I look forward to picking his brain in the future.
Congrats,
Jim Hardy
Bryan,
I chose your book “Applied Ballistics For Long Range Shooters” as a prize for finishing in top 20 LG score at the just held IBS Nationals, Pella, Iowa. I have read a little and will continue reading as I find the time. It looks like a great book and I certainly will be recommending it to shooters who want to take the time to learn more about ballistics for small arms long range shooting.
I have already underlined one quote and noted the page number on the inside cover and that is the statement about the significance of a 3 shot group in determining load precision, p. 262–well said. You can be sure I will refer BR shooters to p. 262 and I am sure other quotes as I read more.
Henry Childs
Bryan,
I’m slowly reading your book and find it very intersting. It brings back memories of sitting with you at the computer. I hope to shoot with you again at ReadeRange next summer. Thank you for the Personal touch on the inside cover of the book.
Godspeed,
Dale.
Hello Bryan,
I am in the midst of building a prone/long range hunting rifle in .284 and shall be interested to see the difference between this caliber and my 6.5 x 284. I am curious about this aspect. I am not bound by any competition rules with regard to this rifle and am wondering about using a muzzlebrake to make it more user friendly.
With regard to finite accuracy have you ever noticed any difference between barrels with a good muzzlebrake like a Vais, and a non braked barrel? I note this subject is shied away from, and nobody makes and assertions about it, which leaves me curious. Both my old 308 Baer and also my 6.5 x 284 are quite accurate. I am basically a benchrest shooter, but since retiring to 6,500 feet an hour south of Whittington have built an 800yd. range and even though it has a concrete benchrest, am leaning about all these damned winds at this altitude when shooting with my belly in the dirt.
Thank you in advance,
Gene Solyntjes
Hello Brian. We bear and deer hunt on the Chase estate property around Kellytown, Clearfield Co PA for 28years now and come to know your grandfather Ray Litz very well. In fact two years ago we shared in your grandmother’s 80th birthday party. Your family members that we have met, your aunt Joann, uncle Dave and Grandfather Ray are some of the nicest people we know. It is very nice to know how successful you are and how blessed to have such a loving family out here in Kellytown. “WE ARE PENN STATE” Best to you and your’s David
does the forward section of the Berger VLD give for less surface area resulting in less friction from the atmosphere and does the tapered aft/base section of the bullet result in giving the bullet a smaller surface area resulting in a smaller path of least resistence giving the bullet more time for sustained flight at its given velocity. another question being the novice shooter I am, does the wind coming across the streamline of the bullet to the aft section tend to cause the bullet to be thrust forward? if so how does the tapered base of the Berger VLD favor from that of the base of the JLK?